Making the wearing of a mask manditory

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Has anyone else noticed the worldometer projections for UK deaths have changed significantly since the relaxation of restrictions last week?
covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom

The deaths are now predicted to be back up to 800 a day by november with a second peak in cases surpassing the first one.

The graphs do however show that this can be avoided if mask wearing is made compulsory.

AIBU to think that the wearing of a mask or visor (excepting those eho cannot wear them for medical conditions) should be made manditory in all indoor public places in order to avoid this second peak.

If cases rise again to the extent projected here another national lockdown will be required resulting in more job losses, school closures and unnecessary deaths.

Surely the wearing of a mask is a small price to pay to avoid a second peak particularly as the scientific evidence now points to it being highly effective in preventing asymptomatic spread.
www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

There is no way they will mandate this when they've said going back to school without a mask is OK.

The government needs to be clearer on a lot of things before deciding to makes mask mandatory in England. If face visits are an option I can wear those but again the government hasn’t been clear on those.

I am in 100% agreement with you that the government has lacked clarity on this (and other) issues.

A significant problem is that the people with genuine health reasons that make it difficult for them to wear masks all the time are the ones who are put most at risk by the selfish people who refuse to wear masks because of conspiracy theories about 5G, because they want to make a roll-up or because they think it goes against their rights.

Protecting the most vulnerable people in society and protecting bus drivers, shop workers and the NHS should be a very high priority for everyone.

this video is interesting on many levels

I find both hilarious and scary that people like @EnlightenedOwl and @Worldgonecrazy are out there.

I mean these are supposedly grown adults who are essentially saying that 1000s of scientists, from across the world and who have dedicated their lives to studying the nature and transmission routes of viruses, have gotten together and went "fuck it lets just publish a load of research papers that aren't actually true for a laugh".

I suspect these people are the type whose "research" consists of seeing a few memes and googling what they want to see, while disregarding anything that doesn't confirm what they want to be true.

@phoenixrosehere.

The local transport company where I live will accept a phone screen shot of the exemption card if you don’t have a printer. Staff are not allowed to question why you need the card as for some people it may be trauma related rather than due to physical difficulties.

@Dinosauratemydaffodils they wouldn't be better off without you, honestly.

I really do hope the exemptions get highlighted properly to stop the ensuing harassment. A lot of us were advised to stay at home for months (I was a selfish twunt who went out then as well) and for some they would be happy for us to stay locked away forever.

Those little spy cameras are really cheap btw, I'm using now as part of my going out coping protection thing. IF someone starts I also have evidence. My plan if it gets to it is try to ignore, mention exemptions and disability but not what is wrong with me. At least if the arse continues it's discrimination. I say it's the plan, but honestly don't know what will happen.

It's bloody hard though especially after reading some of the shite on here.So quick to condemn and call us various names yet fail to see what they are doing to us mentally. And often get told to not take it personally, it's not aimed at you etc, well who the fuck is it aimed at if not at us?

Try and ignore these negative things using whatever coping methods you can. Remember whenever you are out with the kids you are doing this for them. This really gets me through the day, them, but not in a weird they know way!! Obviously we are all different, and the only possible way I could maybe do it is with a scarf which isn't so clear cut to begin with as I struggle with them.

Distractions of course which are helping a lot, try if you can to focus more on the kids when out with them. I'm lucky as mine are older and youngest is at the don't want to be seen with mum stage! But this enabled me to go out alone to build up with more people around using various methods.

And most importantly please don't try and push yourself to appease others. It's not you. You aren't doing anything wrong they are by trying to shame you. They are for risking your physical and mental health whilst they bleat about saving people you don't know. You aren't selfish or whatever, if you was you wouldn't be thinking of your children and your family. And honestly there's nothing wrong with being selfish at times, we all do it to protect ourselves in some way.

@Worldgonecrazy

That’s good to know. I’ll check the one near me and see what they say. 🙂

I find both hilarious and scary that people like @EnlightenedOwl and @Worldgonecrazy are out there.

I do not know who they are but there is currently a wave of conspiracy theories, many fueled by far-right groups, that claim that wearing masks is indicative of excessive state control, linked to 5G, satanic ritual abuse and other bizarre hoaxes. The Freemen on the Land / Sovereign Citizen movement is central to this.

Google for videos featuring Piers Corbyn and / or Jon Wedger to see the kind of people who are involved in this.

They are for risking your physical and mental health whilst they bleat about saving people you don't know. You aren't selfish or whatever, if you was you wouldn't be thinking of your children and your family. And honestly there's nothing wrong with being selfish at times, we all do it to protect ourselves in some way.

Textbook definition of selfish.

At least have the self awareness not to deny it.

Masks save lives. Would you also drink and drive? Are you an antivaxxer?

Whatever next.

The medical exemption card is a load of bollocks. A couple of GP surgeries in the UK have decided to make an exemption card.

In the USA they are different because of the fakes.

I have been out in public this week for the first time in nearly four months, I previously just went on walks in the country.
I was told to shield until 31st July but have decided that I will take small steps now.
I have worn masks to visit GP surgery (compulsory) and in shops.
I have so far seen very little evidence of mask wearing anywhere and don't imagine this will change unless it becomes compulsory.

I wonder whether people would be more likely to comply if they believed the mask protected them rather than others?
Isn't it a bit of a sunk cost fallacy to say that it's too late?

I remember the protests against wearing car seatbelts and I don't think anyone would go back to not wearing them now.

I have zero tolerance on anyone who is unfit to be on the road.

Vaccines have nothing to do with this considering there might even be a vaccine.

So it's either wear a mask or stay inside despite exemptions?

The problem is “anti-masker” has become a political issue, co-opted primarily by a far right wing political ideology linked with rather extreme conspiracy theories.

Masks have become emblematic of deep divides in the USA, and people with legit medical issues are being caught in the fallout.

Do people understand one of the exemptions is for Mental health?

Those of you getting shitty about people not wearing masks are probably the same people who will send your kids back to school in September without any protection for them or staff allowed.

So it's either wear a mask or stay inside despite exemptions?

Basically. Here it's for the "foreseeable" future apparently. Don't really care about shops, it's more the doctors (for the kids not me especially if dh has to go back into the office) and the stuff ds wants to do over the summer since he starts school in August.

Oh so unless you think about everyone you are selfish?

And I did own it, - even if you are selfish there is nothing wrong with it because we all do it.

If you cannot see outside your own version of your world, own it. Why try and belittle others? Why call people names etc when someone has a view that's different?

Why is that when someone doesn't conform they have to justify themselves to see if it meets the approval of others? The badge, card, lanyard etc all just play into this expectation that we should just hand over our details to anyone. Although if it was coming from a mil they'd be told to fuck off with their ideas

www.forbes.com/sites/jessicagold/2020/07/01/feeling-anxious-about-wearing-a-mask-here-are-5-ways-to-overcome-it/#2db542f54629

Excellent article on how to overcome mental health issues and anxiety around wearing masks.

Doctors try and not stress. They know you and from what I have experienced workarounds are an option.

Someone mentioned Visors as a possible solution. On their own they are pointless unless more like a space suit helmet, then you might as well just wear a crash helmet... Ohh there's an idea, didn't think of one of those.

Crash helmet. Does anyone know if you buy the plastic front thing on their own, a spare one of those and whilst out I can still stay covered while cleaning the other one. Don't have to carry a bag load of replacement anything.

@planderecord amazing what people can choose to read from a graph

some conspiracy theorists gather for a mask free social distancing free protest in London recently

The video is on the channel of the notorious fake police whistleblower and SRA conspiracist Jon Wedger

at 7.30 you can see Piers Corbyn

at 10.31 you can see a poster saying "I do not consent" - a claim made by Freemen on the Land (FotL) and soveregin citizen types when they get arrested for not paying fines (which happens all the time).

At 25.30 you can see the notorious SRA conspiracy theorist, charity scammer and David Shayler's former landlady Belinda Mckenzie

links about Belinda Mckenzie

www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/crime-court/highgate-company-investigated-for-posing-as-child-abuse-charity-and-sending-donations-to-uk-fugitive-1-4165612

www.newstatesman.com/politics/politics/2014/04/meet-no-planers

The point I'm making is that there is a network of online trolls and people in real life, many connected to weird conspiracy theorists, attempting to convince people not to wear masks and to resist social distancing.

The problem is “anti-masker” has become a political issue, co-opted primarily by a far right wing political ideology linked with rather extreme conspiracy theories.

Masks have become emblematic of deep divides in the USA, and people with legit medical issues are being caught in the fallout.

this

absolutely

Someone mentioned Visors as a possible solution. On their own they are pointless unless more like a space suit helmet, then you might as well just wear a crash helmet... Ohh there's an idea, didn't think of one of those.

Better let the Telegraph know..

www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/face-shields-recommend-teachers-shop-keepers-help-britain-open/

Even if it is, and I think in certain instances it should be, how do you easily enforce this? Police cut (in London largely by Mr Johnson during his time as Mayor), most train stations unstaffed, for example.

Easier to have other restrictions to reduce the spread of the virus.

We are not all on an agenda with conspiracy theories and the rest. A part of my MH I have to try and actively avoid these things and do for the most part, but my main interests more around spirituality. The Google/Huawaii/honor/5g thing is just ridiculous.

Wouldn't it be better to put energies into stopping those rather than assume everyone is the same?

It's because of this we end up in the middle of things people don't want to be in the middle of. All they want to do is live their life the best they can that day, and when you think for some getting out of bed is a good day and the rest is a bonus.