Making the wearing of a mask manditory

[weepingwillow22]

Has anyone else noticed the worldometer projections for UK deaths have changed significantly since the relaxation of restrictions last week?
covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom

The deaths are now predicted to be back up to 800 a day by november with a second peak in cases surpassing the first one.

The graphs do however show that this can be avoided if mask wearing is made compulsory.

AIBU to think that the wearing of a mask or visor (excepting those eho cannot wear them for medical conditions) should be made manditory in all indoor public places in order to avoid this second peak.

If cases rise again to the extent projected here another national lockdown will be required resulting in more job losses, school closures and unnecessary deaths.

Surely the wearing of a mask is a small price to pay to avoid a second peak particularly as the scientific evidence now points to it being highly effective in preventing asymptomatic spread.
www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

There not compulsory in england other than in a couple of places and people have been going to supermarket without them and figures are going down ??
Crowded indoor places i can see why using them may be of benefit
Of the people i see wearing most have on incorrectly
Wearing in a pub or restaurant os impossible how do you eat or drink ?

Wear them on your chin and beat the system....

Excellent article on how to overcome mental health issues and anxiety around wearing masks.

Disagree. I actually think it could be dangerous. Desensitization especially for trauma isn't something that it's wise to work through by yourself without support (at least that's what my psychiatrist and past psychologist have said). So far my attempts to do have seen my mental health spiral to the point that I'm back with suicidal thoughts playing in my head 24/7.

It reinforces the sense of worthlessness, uselessness and selfishness I've seen in support groups too. The "look" this person managed so if I can't it's because I'm bad, stupid, weak, worthless.

Easier if you are scared of catching the virus to stay at home

Mask issue is an interesting one.
At the beginning I thought no way would I ever wear one. I’m young, fairly healthy etc
But then I learned that a mask is to protect others and are less effective at protecting yourself.

I would wear one now if it was to stop others getting ill.

@Helenadiove yes because inly pissheads go to the pub !!
People dont go for a nice meal or a couple social drinks
How judgmental people are on here
You don't want to go don't , but people nerd to stop judging others so much

This talks about Visors in more details

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5015006/

What's the point wearing a mask if everyone touches the pin machine when paying by card?? Arent you more likely to catch it from the keypad than walking past someone without a mask

The problem is “anti-masker” has become a political issue, co-opted primarily by a far right wing political ideology linked with rather extreme conspiracy theories

😂😂😂 Jesus the irony!

@user1471500037

Easier if you are scared of catching the virus to stay at home

I wish they would

I think they should either be making mask (or some kind of face covering) wearing mandatory in a lot more situations than they are already or doing something about the total breakdown of social distancing. I've just been in the town centre - hardly anyone was giving anyone 2 metres and if you moved out of their way they looked at you as if you were the one doing something wrong. A big high street shop was letting people in one by one in quite a strict way, but then not doing anything to enforce social distancing inside until they got to the queue for the tills. It took me about 10 minutes to walk across that shop, dodging people who didn't seem to care. I think I saw one older lady wearing a mask. I haven't worn one before but I think I would like to start, at least in busy places where people won't give you enough space, and I would prefer to be able to do that without being seen as the odd one out. The only way that's going to happen is either if the rules become stricter or if things get so disastrous that the public lose all faith in the government and decide en masse that they are going to wear masks regardless.

(And remember it doesn't have to be a mask. I always carry a neck tube thing - like a Buff but no-brand - around with me now just in case I ever have no choice but to take a bus. But if I ever have no choice but to go into such a chaotic shop again, it's going on!)

Where do they publish their assumptions about the effect that wearing a mask has on transmission?

@Ispywithmycynicaleye

What's the point wearing a mask if everyone touches the pin machine when paying by card?? Arent you more likely to catch it from the keypad than walking past someone without a mask

Yes. I went through a Mac Donald’s drive through yesterday. Got passed the key pad through the hatch and my food. No gloves or mask.

Yes. I went through a Mac Donald’s drive through yesterday. Got passed the key pad through the hatch and my food. No gloves or mask.

Yep and think how many customers have touched the same key pad to pay, regardless of the staff wearing ppe. I don't believe for one minute any shop is cleaning their key pads regularly, especially not between customer use. And most people I see in shops wearing masks are touching the key pad without gloves. The whole thing is laughable really, especially people's hysteria over needing to wear a mask and how it makes a huge difference.
Old Jenny might be safe walking past you in the isle because you wore your mask, but then she caught the virus when paying after you at the till

It will be complacency that causes another wave, not the wearing of mask or not.

Many mask wearers will be unknowingly passing it around to others because well they are wearing a mask and assume that's it. Their job is done when in reality it is one of the things we can do to help stop the spread.

How long will it be before people start sneezing and coughing without covering their face? How long will it be before those who chew with their mouths open are back out eating spitting their food as they eat. Or worse, food in mouth talkers.

How many are taking enough out for frequent changes and washing their hands during the process, or anti bac as a last resort?

I'm one of those shielders advised to stay at home to protect me in some way. (Still trying to work out what this was). Living with shit like this is my daily existence, and I'm not unique with this. When it came to the stomach bug going around, there was no concern then and aw it's been 6 hours since they last went toilet they are fine now. Same with flu, chicken pox etc.

Many of us in society for whatever reason cannot wear them. They are a requirement on public transport in London, however there is a list of exemptions, same with Scotland and indeed other countries.

It is not up to some who clearly have no idea about the mental thoughts of others to try and police them. Many of those with illnesses especially those on the vulnerable/shielding lists also have MH issues such as anxiety and depression. Many people are now also dealing with MH issues which is widely talked about, and of course the increases to suicide rates.

Negative attitudes like this are shown not to work. If I describe myself as a fattie who loves to stuff her face, well it wouldn't go down too well and I'd be accused of fat shaming etc. It wouldn't matter if I was talking about me or people in general, it wouldn't be acceptable. But when it comes to MH the negative is the automatic response and leads to the person with MH feeling even worse, feeling worthless, a waste on society, better off without them. Those thoughts should never be encouraged and yet here we are, selfish, stay at home etc. Essentially just fuck off and die already.

also, covert filming devices are available very cheaply

you could be filmed being a selfish fool on public transport and that film could be uploaded onto the www and you ouldn't have a clue until you got home

So how do you intend to find out whether or not they have a hidden disability Or have been through a trauma.

Before you start filming ,

A healthcare professional actually did this to a disabled man on a bus. He had disability aids so not even a hidden disability.
On her Twitter handle it said she was a member of BLM Yet another example of a marginalised minority not recognising another marginalised minority.

Guess Disabled Lives Matter just aint trendy enough!

How many are taking enough out for frequent changes and washing their hands during the process, or anti bac as a last resort

Yep Boots pharmacist told me they need changing every half an hour.

What's the point wearing a mask if everyone touches the pin machine when paying by card?? Arent you more likely to catch it from the keypad than walking past someone without a mask.

No, the virus doesn't enter the body through the skin. The only way it gets from your hands to inside you is if you stick your hands/fingers in your mouth/nose/eyes after touching an infected surface. That's why the no.1 piece of advice on how to prevent the spread of the virus has always been to wash your hands thoroughly and regularly.

Face coverings reduce the chance of infected droplets being expelled onto surfaces as the droplets the virus is transferred in will get caught in the mask, rather than spread out and land here, there and everywhere. There's also some research to show that once people are used to wearing a mask they touch their face less, further reducing the chance you'll infect yourself, but that's not their main function.

When it came to the stomach bug going around, there was no concern then and aw it's been 6 hours since they last went toilet they are fine now. Same with flu, chicken pox etc

YY @canigooutyet

i didnt see reams and reams of threads like this when the weakest in our society were losing their DLA. There were threads but nowhere near this amount!!

I suspect there is a direct correlation between those shaming people for not wearing masks and demanding to know the ins and outs of their medical conditions and those who thought/think most of those on DLA/PIP are scroungers.

So lets not pretend its about protecting the vulnerable shall we. Lets stop being disingenuous.

Its about getting out there and spending. Its about being able to go to the pub. Its about being able to go on holiday and EVERYONE wearing masks speeds that up.

The economy has taken a huge hit

But dont pretend its about the vulnerable when they have already been bullied, harassed and filmed on public transport for not being able to wear masks.

And some companies are acting in a similar way One bus company deleted a social media post saying that from Monday 29th June passengers would have to PROVE their disability/medical condition if not wearing a mask. After they were told they were in breach of the Equality Act.

Prove you are disabled so you can get PIP
Prove you are disabled so you can get food delivered.
Prove you are disabled so you wont have your condition exacerbated by wearing a mask.

A sickening hat trick!

All about the vulnerable? Yeah Course it is!

*It will be complacency that causes another wave, not the wearing of mask or not.

Many mask wearers will be unknowingly passing it around to others because well they are wearing a mask and assume that's it. Their job is done when in reality it is one of the things we can do to help stop the spread.

How long will it be before people start sneezing and coughing without covering their face? How long will it be before those who chew with their mouths open are back out eating spitting their food as they eat. Or worse, food in mouth talkers.

How many are taking enough out for frequent changes and washing their hands during the process, or anti bac as a last resort?*

I really wish people would stop making assumptions about mask wearers being complacent, not washing their hands, etc.

I live in Asia where mask wearing is the norm. I’d say 90%-99% wear them. That’s everywhere outside the house.

We are having a minor spike this week (60 cases since Sunday), so mask wearing will be near 100% again tomorrow and for the next several weeks.

People here carry antibacterial gel and use it all the time. Anytime you go somewhere, the first thing you do is wash your hands. People are very careful and conscious of their hygiene. Every shop and restaurant checks your temperature as you enter. Restaurants also take your name and mobile in case they need to contact trace.

Once you get used to wearing a mask, you touch your face a lot less than without one. Even babies and toddlers wear them, and they leave them alone. They are mandatory in all school settings.

The idea that people are more complacent with masks simply doesn’t tally with my experience. If you prefer data to anecdote, the death rate per million is nearly 700 TIMES higher in the U.K. than in Hong Kong.

I don’t understand the stubbornness with which British people are refusing to contemplate wearing masks. Why don’t you just give it a go for a few weeks, try different types and get used to them?

I hate the things with a passion, but have managed to wear the lightweight disposable ones partly because they are thin and light and partly because mine gape at the sides so they don’t actually restrict my breathing. I realise this also renders them ineffective, but I am seen to comply.

It won’t help anyone who struggles as a result of psychological trauma or other serious mental health difficulties, and possibly not people with respiratory problems, but might just help other people who feel they are suffocating otherwise, as I do.

Bold fail

@giraffe0707, even if the masks gape at the sides, they will still be catching any droplets from your mouth and nose, and filtering a lot of the air coming out at the front. So even if they’re just 80% effective, that’s a lot better than nothing.

And lets not forget about the good it's been for us when all these departments got closed down. Those that are slowly opening, well they have a massive backlog to deal with.

Oh but it's fine to wait another 6 months at least for surgery due months ago, or various treatment etc and I don't mean your optional stuff because why not. Things needed to stay alive, maintain/improve quality of life etc.

Perhaps those with health issues should be rounded up and sent elsewhere to live together. That would solve all your issues right? But it wouldn't. You would still have all these viruses and wonder why your house cannot get rid of that stomach bug you've all had for the past couple of weeks etc.. Mmm come to think I might start calling them dirty fuckers, wonder how many interesting ways I can find to say this. Yes I know, that simply would not be acceptable.

I really wish people would stop making assumptions about mask wearers being complacent, not washing their hands, etc.

Really because I would love for people to stop making assumptions about other people in general. I would love to stop the assumption that just because a person looks ok doesn't mean they are.

I thought my post was clear it was a generalisation based on complacency from on what I have witnessed and of course this thread, because not everyone is using them correctly.

And as long as there are exemptions within your country I'm glad that you have all seem to have found a healthy balance without the need to vilify those who cannot wear one.