Making the wearing of a mask manditory

[weepingwillow22]

Has anyone else noticed the worldometer projections for UK deaths have changed significantly since the relaxation of restrictions last week?
covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom

The deaths are now predicted to be back up to 800 a day by november with a second peak in cases surpassing the first one.

The graphs do however show that this can be avoided if mask wearing is made compulsory.

AIBU to think that the wearing of a mask or visor (excepting those eho cannot wear them for medical conditions) should be made manditory in all indoor public places in order to avoid this second peak.

If cases rise again to the extent projected here another national lockdown will be required resulting in more job losses, school closures and unnecessary deaths.

Surely the wearing of a mask is a small price to pay to avoid a second peak particularly as the scientific evidence now points to it being highly effective in preventing asymptomatic spread.
www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

@hoodathunkit

I would wipe the floor with you if you dared to try this with me

I suspect that you wouldn't actually :)

I am afraid I would no patience for Corona phobes

@hoodathunkit

I would wipe the floor with you if you dared to try this with me

also, covert filming devices are available very cheaply

you could be filmed being a selfish fool on public transport and that film could be uploaded onto the www and you ouldn't have a clue until you got home

just sayin :)

Oh wow

I think the bus drivers were politely telling @hoodathunkit to fuck off. Maybe take heed when they say they get threatened. I'm not violent physically, it's my mouth or death stare that shits people up.

Just out of curiosity, how would you identify them in order to go and give them a fine? Clarity on bus CCTV is bad enough, but ID-ing an unknown person from them? confused

The buses here are not accepting cash

people use bus passes or contact free payment

easy peasy to ID them

@canigooutyet

I think the bus drivers were politely telling *@hoodathunkit* to fuck off. Maybe take heed when they say they get threatened. I'm not violent physically, it's my mouth or death stare that shits people up.

The threat about stealth filming non mask wearers though is this a thing now

@EnlightenedOwl “ I would wipe the floor with you if you dared to try this with me”

Case in point that a lot of those who don’t wear masks are selfish entitled and can turn nasty!

@user1471500037 I think you will find actual randomised trials have been undertaken that show cotton masks are effective. Do you get your news from Facebook or something?

For comfort reasons? Do you think everyone else loves wearing masks? If everyone had your selfish attitude then the sum increase in infection would not be minimal. There is a shocking lack of actual critical thinking going on these days.

[quote PositivelyPrecious]@EnlightenedOwl “ I would wipe the floor with you if you dared to try this with me”

Case in point that a lot of those who don’t wear masks are selfish entitled and can turn nasty!

@user1471500037 I think you will find actual randomised trials have been undertaken that show cotton masks are effective. Do you get your news from Facebook or something?

For comfort reasons? Do you think everyone else loves wearing masks? If everyone had your selfish attitude then the sum increase in infection would not be minimal. There is a shocking lack of actual critical thinking going on these days.[/quote]
Are you one of those that films non mask wearers and posts it on the internet as well,?

Case in point that a lot of those who don’t wear masks are selfish entitled and can turn nasty!

this

Although to be fair the government has failed in making public information films that provide clear information and guidance.

Some people are violent / aggressive but many are simply cluless. It is the former who I will be filming.

The threat about stealth filming non mask wearers though is this a thing now

You call covert filming a threat and yet do not acknowledge the threat posed by selfish aggressive people who refuse to wear a mask on the bus?

Seriously you're just trolling

@EnlightenedOwl no I’m one of those who wears a mask because I understand I could be out and about and asymptomatic so I wear one in places I can’t social distance to help prevent spread to others

Are you one of those ‘ I’ll bate ya if you dare even look at me not wearin a mask cause I don’t give a f**k about anyone else’ types?

@hoodathunkit

The threat about stealth filming non mask wearers though is this a thing now

You call covert filming a threat and yet do not acknowledge the threat posed by selfish aggressive people who refuse to wear a mask on the bus?

Seriously you're just trolling

You're not?

easy peasy to ID them

And who is going to look at the CCTV from every bus in every town? I can just imagine the conversation with HSBC: "Hey, I'm tracking down people not wearing masks on the number 55 bus in Accrington Stanley on Monday, I've got the debit card details of someone who got on the bus at 9.03 and they weren't wearing a mask, give me their home address so I can go slap 'em with a fine....!"

I'm not Stern's biggest fan but I agree with him in this instance 100%

Just look at the entitled nasty people in these videos

We MUST support shop workers, bus drivers and others.

How can you tell people are simply clueless from looking at them? You cannot. A part of my ongoing treatment includes trying to wear one outside. If I can get to that stage it might be for a few minutes.

I also have small video device. As a none mask wearer there's nothing to post or hand over to the authorities yet. I started doing this before CV as part of a personal project around hidden disabilities.

And who is going to look at the CCTV from every bus in every town? I can just imagine the conversation with HSBC: "Hey, I'm tracking down people not wearing masks on the number 55 bus in Accrington Stanley on Monday, I've got the debit card details of someone who got on the bus at 9.03 and they weren't wearing a mask, give me their home address so I can go slap 'em with a fine....!"

We need to emply people

the revenue generated from the fines would pay for teams of people to to this

you're welcome :)

It's a no brainer, especially as the research is showing the virus can be air borne too.

A part of my ongoing treatment includes trying to wear one outside. If I can get to that stage it might be for a few minutes.

I managed a bit yesterday. Was horrendous. Didnt sleep until 4am this morning and then woke up crying about 5.30. So jumpy and stressed. It's brought everything back like it was yesterday. Psychiatrist thinks I'm mad and exemption letter is enough without trying to force my way through it without proper support/therapy (which I obviously can't get atm). I feel I don't have a choice because I can't cope with someone having a go at me especially in front of the kids. I'm hanging on by a thread as is. Life really doesn't feel worth living at the moment. We're in Scotland, half the places ds wants to go this summer require them. Feel like the worst mother ever. They'd be better off without me really.

But I thought the idea was to also inject money into public transport.

You would need to employ people to trawl through the footage.
Another database for peoples details for those who are exempt.
Find a way for this to work with facial recognition.
You would also need to work around data protection and get addresses. That is of course the travel card they use is registered.

My Oyster isn't registered, I top up with cash. When I'm out of London I buy whatever day saver they have with cash.

So anyway, you've got through all that and issued a fine. Some will pay, others wont and will ignore/appeal which costs more money and time.

Not everyone gives over all their info to every company that wants it. I wouldn't trust some random private company to ensure the info was properly protected and not sold on.

Although to be fair the government has failed in making public information films that provide clear information and guidance.

As well as where and how to get exemption cards or badges to wear them. I’ve only

We need to emply people

the revenue generated from the fines would pay for teams of people to to this

you're welcome

Now you are just being silly. Banks will not release home addresses of customers because of a non-mask wearing offence. And even if they did and this mythical CCTV trawler / enforcer goes to the house and the perpetrator themselves open the door and lo and behold present a medical reason why they shouldn't have to wear a mask. What then? Days and money wasted. And even if they didn't have a valid excuse but refuse to pay the fine. What then? Take them to court...?? Have you any clue how much that costs? It would wipe out months of an "profit" from people who actually were tracked, admitted it and DID pay.

Actually, I really don't know why I'm arguing the toss with you, you are clearly on the wind up. Note to self: Don't feed them, just step away.

I was quite anti masks at the start.

I kept reading statements from doctors etc saying that people weren’t wearing them correctly and that touching the mask and taking it on and off was contaminating you and you might as well not wear one etc.

Obviously now we know that unless you are wearing a proper medical mask that has been fitted correctly it’s basically of no use for yourself but that it does help protect others from you - so to that end, lifting it off when you’re alone and touching it etc isn’t that big a deal because it’s just about catching your own germs. On that basis, I have now bought some and I would be prepared to wear them if they were encouraged further. I’ve started getting public transport again and wear then obviously and it’s fine.

But I thought the idea was to also inject money into public transport.

Could be, could be divided between public transport, law enforcement and local government. All are facing financial crises.

You would need to employ people to trawl through the footage.

1. we need to create new jobs to solve massive unemployment.
2. not much trawling needed, look at the video, see the people refusing to wear masks, check their IDs via the no-contact payment or bus pass system

Another database for peoples details for those who are exempt.

People who are exempt can display a letter from their GP or enter their details via a contactless chip when they enter the bus.

Find a way for this to work with facial recognition.

unnecessary as people are IDd when they get on the bus via their bus pass or contactless payment - at least that's how it works here, granted may be different elsewhere

You would also need to work around data protection and get addresses. That is of course the travel card they use is registered.

There are no unregistered cards here. May be diferent elsewhere. Could be looked into.

My Oyster isn't registered, I top up with cash. When I'm out of London I buy whatever day saver they have with cash.

We don't have Oysters here. I would be looking at making Oyster cards registered in cities

So anyway, you've got through all that and issued a fine. Some will pay, others wont and will ignore/appeal which costs more money and time.

Same with all kinds of fines. Should we abolish all fines because of this?

Not everyone gives over all their info to every company that wants it. I wouldn't trust some random private company to ensure the info was properly protected and not sold on.

This is an important point. I am extremely cautious about giving out my details for exactly this reason.

Of course people who are genuinely concerned about state surveilance could try their best to remove the need for it by doign things like wearing a mask on the bus.

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Google search fo exemptions and it says to print out a card, helps if you have a printer (I don’t) and how do I know anyone is going to take it seriously when I present it. My GP is on holiday so can’t get a letter from them until they return and don’t know if I need an appointment. I know others having issues with this and we all can’t just stay home and order online if it does become mandatory. The government needs to be clearer on a lot of things before deciding to makes mask mandatory in England. If face visits are an option I can wear those but again the government hasn’t been clear on those.

As well as where and how to get exemption cards or badges to wear them. I’ve only

cards or badges could be / would be counterfieted.

A microchip on a little key ring that tallies with the bus pass would be better

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