Making the wearing of a mask manditory

[weepingwillow22]

Has anyone else noticed the worldometer projections for UK deaths have changed significantly since the relaxation of restrictions last week?
covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom

The deaths are now predicted to be back up to 800 a day by november with a second peak in cases surpassing the first one.

The graphs do however show that this can be avoided if mask wearing is made compulsory.

AIBU to think that the wearing of a mask or visor (excepting those eho cannot wear them for medical conditions) should be made manditory in all indoor public places in order to avoid this second peak.

If cases rise again to the extent projected here another national lockdown will be required resulting in more job losses, school closures and unnecessary deaths.

Surely the wearing of a mask is a small price to pay to avoid a second peak particularly as the scientific evidence now points to it being highly effective in preventing asymptomatic spread.
www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

@Evelefteden
Well said. The hysteria seems to be increasing in inverse proportion to the infections. Why are people so eager to be terrified?
Can't believe that schools are being allowed to get away with planning crazy schemes of bubbles etc and to assume that in September we will still be operating in crisis panic mode.
I wish the Gvt had the guts to tell us all to just get on with normal life and those who want to hide under the duvet forever are welcome to - on their own dime.

I don’t understand the problem. Is everyone seriously that unwilling to compromise their comfort short term (excising those with medical reasons) to potentially help save lives? Spoilt brat behaviour. I would (and do) happily wear a mask... no one judges me, I don’t get any funny looks, I can breathe normally, and most of all I reduce the risk of accidentally spreading the virus. There’s some very selfish people on this thread (as I said, not including those who are unable to wear one)

ONS latest figures suggest maximum of 0.38% of population COVID positive. Given that a large proportion of that number will be asymptomatic (Shedding very little if any viri) rather than presymptomatic, it does beg the question why the media is fixated on and driving the focus on masks. Perhaps it is a test to see who is compliant/non compliant (sorry that’s a bit conspiratorial 😷)

[quote UmbrellaHat]@Evelefteden
Well said. The hysteria seems to be increasing in inverse proportion to the infections. Why are people so eager to be terrified?
Can't believe that schools are being allowed to get away with planning crazy schemes of bubbles etc and to assume that in September we will still be operating in crisis panic mode.
I wish the Gvt had the guts to tell us all to just get on with normal life and those who want to hide under the duvet forever are welcome to - on their own dime.[/quote]
I actually stopped someone stepping out on the busy high street yesterday, the pedestrian crossing was yards away, she admitted she didn't want to use it as you don't know who has touched it it might have virus on. She was wearing a mask, visor and gloves. It was bizarre

@Evelefteden

Making face masks compulsory now is like turning up late for a party when every one was leaving.

At one point 5000 a day were being diagnosed officially with the virus. We know how hard it was to be even given a test. Id bet money my father had it ( very poorly scan on lungs doctor said it was likely it was COVID, treated him for pneumonia and is still feeling the effects months later and the Doctor STILL wouldn’t test him)

I think back then it’s more likely that 5000 a day ‘official’ number was way higher more like 7000 a day infection rate.

We have seen no spikes with riots, crowded beaches, shops being open the entire time, schools being open through out, raves, VE Day celebrations.

I think the majority of us have already had it.

Out of 66 MILLON people in this country there are 1821 people that are in hospital WITH Covid. That’s a 71.5% REDUCTION on the last six weeks.

It’s understandable that people are petrified to go out in case they get the plague due to media slant on it but there are many other reliable science sources you can keep check off to show you where we are at rather than cherry picking the ones that feed your anxiety.

The real number of daily infections in March/April was way higher than 7000. Probably around 20-30k. But the majority of us have NOT had it. And even if we did, the immunity may only last a few weeks, so we could get it again..

The reason the number of cases has gone down is because of the lockdown. Now that lockdown is being lifted, there will be a resurgence - probably already is, in fact. You can see it in Leicester, and there will be others, unless we introduce other mitigation measures (masks) and proper test and trace. The government is clearly incapable of setting up T&T This makes masks all the more important.

The number of tests actually being carried out daily is well below the ‘official’ figures that Matt Hancock keeps reporting. For instance, 71% of tests sent to care homes and to individuals are not being returned.

Saw a fair few comments that poor people will be penalised if masks are compulsory - true.

Where i live we were all making them in advance of the rules coming in and using places like foodbanks, schools and churches to pass them round to people who couldn't make their own for whatever reason. I made several out of an old t-shirt and a sheet, some with ties and some with ear-elastic (thin strips of t-shirt fabric are just as good if not better). I used sandwich bag ties or cut-up chenille pipecleaners (that we already had) over the nose parts, but you really don't have to have them. I made a couple yesterday with garden wire (careful what you do with the ends).

Either wash them in the machine (use a net bag or pillowcase) or boil them on the stove for a few minutes after use. Apparently using a hot iron on them is enough to kill bacteria.

Also saw ideas for badges for people with exceptions: how about if the majority of people who can wear them do so and everyone STFU if they see someone without?

As for a badge? Hasnt history been here before.
The badge idea is silly but it isn't the symptomatic murder of whole sections of society.

[quote UmbrellaHat]@Evelefteden
Well said. The hysteria seems to be increasing in inverse proportion to the infections. Why are people so eager to be terrified?
Can't believe that schools are being allowed to get away with planning crazy schemes of bubbles etc and to assume that in September we will still be operating in crisis panic mode.
I wish the Gvt had the guts to tell us all to just get on with normal life and those who want to hide under the duvet forever are welcome to - on their own dime.[/quote]
This is deluded.

It’s pretty simple. Cases go down during lockdown. Lockdown lifted. More people out and about. How to minimise a resurgence - masks in places where you can’t social distance, good hand washing practise, people being careful

@umberellahat I think there’s actually more hysteria from people who don’t seem to be able to understand or follow a few simple instructions to minimise spread. You’d swear human rights were being impinged by Madge having to wear a mask for 30 mins during the weekly shop.

@firenze86

I don’t understand the problem. Is everyone seriously that unwilling to compromise their comfort short term (excising those with medical reasons) to potentially help save lives? Spoilt brat behaviour. I would (and do) happily wear a mask... no one judges me, I don’t get any funny looks, I can breathe normally, and most of all I reduce the risk of accidentally spreading the virus. There’s some very selfish people on this thread (as I said, not including those who are unable to wear one)

Exactly!!

It's no hardship for most people to wear one, a minor inconvenience at most, and yet no one can say it doesn't help reduce transmission. There have been so many studies and it has been proven that masks help reduce transmission.

People are fucking selfish.

It’s pretty simple. Cases go down during lockdown. Lockdown lifted. More people out and about. How to minimise a resurgence - masks in places where you can’t social distance, good hand washing practise, people being careful

We were never really in lockdown. Not like other countries. People still went to work, shopping ect.. look at the scenes out side primark!

Still no resurgence.

Lockdown wasn't effective for controlling the virus - mask supporters must hate the environment , the amount of disposable plastic they are intent on producing and once masks are mandatory, they will want us to wear gloves too because it improves the R rate by 2% or so. People just need to risk accept and get on with their lives...

@user1471500037 effective masks are cotton and reusable so I don’t know what you’re on about for the environment also the evidence for masks reducing transmission is huge not the same for gloves so again like I said complete hysteria from people like yourself over a simple instruction that will help contain the pandemic.

@Evelefteden really there was no lockdown? I must have imagined all pubs, restaurants and hotels and non essential shops and all the people who worked from home....

I do judge others who don’t wear masks in general as it’s supposed to be you wear it to protect others. I highly doubt the 70 or so people who weren’t wearing them in my local shopping centre the other day are asmathic

I don't have asthma but I do have a letter written by an NHS consultant saying I shouldn't wear one. There are other reasons why people might be considered exempt.

I thought in Scotland masks were compulsory for those 5 and over? I could be wrong though. I'm glad mine are much younger than that.

I also thought 5. Certainly ds has been wearing one on the odd occasion he's popped to the shop with dh. Luckily for us he wants to be a Doctor in the Army when he grows up and thus is more than happy to wear one. Sometimes he pretends it's a surgical one and sometimes a gas mask.

I'm not wearing a badge, a lanyard or anything else. If people think I should be fined they can report me.

I've used the tube, didn't wear a mask and others didn't say anything. No-one ran away from me. I wasn't glared at. It was rather pleasant tbh. Lifts there was no SD.

Whereas on here, from the time the mask stuff started being discussed I'm a selfish fucker who should stay at home. How other countries have it for everyone, which of course is bollocks because all the mandatory countries have exemptions.

How many are wearing them correctly in terms of changing them frequently? Changing them when they get damp? Isolating their re-usable dirty ones from everything else in their bags?

Then hand washing - how many walk past the anti-bac stuff in the entrance in supermarkets and tube stations? Not that many from what I've seen, I get told all the time I'm one of a few who uses it!!

And yes the constant fiddling, thus touching the face constantly which was always advised against from the start..

I have witnessed very recently:

busses:

People getting on the bus and immediately removing their mask.

I have been on a bus where most people are not wearing masks and get arsey and rude if asked to put them back on.

One man who was wearing his mask under his chin shouted at me that he needed to not wear his mask as he was making a roll-up and couldn't lick the paper otherwise. He actually has his tobacco, papers, etc. arranged around him on the bus and was quite content to put everyone else at risk while he sat there, mask down, rolling up. When I suggested that he was putting his own and other people's health at risk he shouted at me and I thought it was going to get physical until the driver stopped the bus and shouted at him, at which point he stopped.

A woman sat at the back of the bus with no mask on and when I asked her to put one on she refused claiming that she didn't have the virus because she didn't eat Chinese take aways and also drank a lot of vodka, both of whih guaranteed that she was fine. In her defense I think she had a learning disability. Still shocking.

2 adults wore masks going up the stairs but removed them once upstairs. When I asked them to put them back on they claimed that it was impossible because they were both very hungry and could not eat their crisps and cake with the masks on. They had actually bought a picnic to eat on the bus.

A woman in front of me on the bus hung her mask over one ear while she consumed a huge bag of crips and a bottle of pop. In between eating the crisps and slurping the pop she leaned over the hand rail in front of her seat, thus contaminating both the rail and her mouth. Before she left the bus she moved from her window seat to the seat near the isle and held onto the rail in front of that set with her crisp, saliva and possibly virus contaminated hands.

I have spoken to several bus drivers following these and similar incidents and they are stressed beyond belief and between the devil and the deep blue sea.

They are not allowed to force people to wear masks. They have been threatend with violence. One driver told me that a man had boarded the bus, absolutely refused to wear a maks and had said that he would rather pay the £100 fine.

This is what heeds to happen.

Councils are short of money, bus companies are short of money.

Right now, get CCTV from busses and fine people who refuse to wear a mask without good, proven, medical cause.

£100 for the first fine, doubling the amount each time the fine is incurred. This will stop the selfish non-mask wearers in their tracks and generate much needed revenue.

you're welcome

Who are you to tell people to wear masks?

The woman may have had some exemption but you felt you had the right to tell her she has to wear one. She gave you a better reply than I would have.

I'm not wearing a badge, a lanyard or anything else. If people think I should be fined they can report me.

from now on I will be videoing and reporting every selfish person who places their own comfort over other people's live on public transport.

I've used the tube, didn't wear a mask and others didn't say anything. No-one ran away from me. I wasn't glared at. It was rather pleasant tbh. Lifts there was no SD.

Maybe people were scared of you? People who are unconcerned about the safety of their fellow citizens are more likely to become beligerent or even voilent than more considerate, decent people.

Mayne they just stayed as far away from you as possible to protect their own health?

And what is a good proven medical reason other than the current exemptions?

And prove to who? Someone who thinks they can police others?

Right now, get CCTV from busses and fine people who refuse to wear a mask without good, proven, medical cause.

you're welcome

Just out of curiosity, how would you identify them in order to go and give them a fine? Clarity on bus CCTV is bad enough, but ID-ing an unknown person from them?

@hoodathunkit

I have witnessed very recently:

busses:

People getting on the bus and immediately removing their mask.

I have been on a bus where most people are not wearing masks and get arsey and rude if asked to put them back on.

One man who was wearing his mask under his chin shouted at me that he needed to not wear his mask as he was making a roll-up and couldn't lick the paper otherwise. He actually has his tobacco, papers, etc. arranged around him on the bus and was quite content to put everyone else at risk while he sat there, mask down, rolling up. When I suggested that he was putting his own and other people's health at risk he shouted at me and I thought it was going to get physical until the driver stopped the bus and shouted at him, at which point he stopped.

A woman sat at the back of the bus with no mask on and when I asked her to put one on she refused claiming that she didn't have the virus because she didn't eat Chinese take aways and also drank a lot of vodka, both of whih guaranteed that she was fine. In her defense I think she had a learning disability. Still shocking.

2 adults wore masks going up the stairs but removed them once upstairs. When I asked them to put them back on they claimed that it was impossible because they were both very hungry and could not eat their crisps and cake with the masks on. They had actually bought a picnic to eat on the bus.

A woman in front of me on the bus hung her mask over one ear while she consumed a huge bag of crips and a bottle of pop. In between eating the crisps and slurping the pop she leaned over the hand rail in front of her seat, thus contaminating both the rail and her mouth. Before she left the bus she moved from her window seat to the seat near the isle and held onto the rail in front of that set with her crisp, saliva and possibly virus contaminated hands.

I have spoken to several bus drivers following these and similar incidents and they are stressed beyond belief and between the devil and the deep blue sea.

They are not allowed to force people to wear masks. They have been threatend with violence. One driver told me that a man had boarded the bus, absolutely refused to wear a maks and had said that he would rather pay the £100 fine.

This is what heeds to happen.

Councils are short of money, bus companies are short of money.

Right now, get CCTV from busses and fine people who refuse to wear a mask without good, proven, medical cause.

£100 for the first fine, doubling the amount each time the fine is incurred. This will stop the selfish non-mask wearers in their tracks and generate much needed revenue.

you're welcome

I would wipe the floor with you if you dared to try this with me

cotton masks aren't effective, no masks are really - I don't wear a mask for comfort reasons but the sum increase in infection I am encouraging is minimal. Most masks are plastic and disposable and there is a huge damage to the environment that makes plastic bags pale into insignificance

Who are you to tell people to wear masks?

I have always confronted people who endanger others. I have intervened in countless violent situations, told countless people to pick up their dog shit, confronted people over fly tipping in my neighbourhood.

To some people I am undoubtably a nosey, annoying person.

Depends what side of the arguement you are on I suppose.

The woman may have had some exemption but you felt you had the right to tell her she has to wear one. She gave you a better reply than I would have.

I have asthma. I have a genetic predisposition towards getting COPD. I struggle to wear a mask sometime but I do it because I possess a basic level of decency towards others.

I appreciate that some people may not be able to wear a mask sometimes. I may even be one of those people on a very bad day.

I got on a bus a few days ago and, distracted by some drama, forgot to put my mask on as I got on. The driver only had to point this out and I apoplogised and put one on quick time.

We all make mistakes, this is a new thing. I appreciate that not everyone refusing to wear a mask is doing so because of obstinacy and disregard for the health and lives of others.

I have bonded with people on busses over this kind of conversation and we have ended up wishing each other well and sharing feelings about the crisis and how stressful it all is (at a safe distance, with maks on of course)

But people claiming that they cannot wear a mask on the bus because they cannot roll up their baccy or eat a picnic? People saying that they will just pay the fine? Seriously

I would wipe the floor with you if you dared to try this with me

I suspect that you wouldn't actually :)

In the meantime the Zoe app has changed to reporting cases per million rather than cases per hundred thousand as the numbers continue to drop even with people exhibiting normal behaviour.

My local area has 424 cases per million....

Mask wearers aren’t stupid, just unable to risk assess and probably frightened due to the social manipulation that the Government have admitted to in their own documents.

I would wipe the floor with you if you dared to try this with me

also, covert filming devices are available very cheaply

you could be filmed being a selfish fool on public transport and that film could be uploaded onto the www and you ouldn't have a clue until you got home

just sayin :)