Making the wearing of a mask manditory

[weepingwillow22]

Has anyone else noticed the worldometer projections for UK deaths have changed significantly since the relaxation of restrictions last week?
covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom

The deaths are now predicted to be back up to 800 a day by november with a second peak in cases surpassing the first one.

The graphs do however show that this can be avoided if mask wearing is made compulsory.

AIBU to think that the wearing of a mask or visor (excepting those eho cannot wear them for medical conditions) should be made manditory in all indoor public places in order to avoid this second peak.

If cases rise again to the extent projected here another national lockdown will be required resulting in more job losses, school closures and unnecessary deaths.

Surely the wearing of a mask is a small price to pay to avoid a second peak particularly as the scientific evidence now points to it being highly effective in preventing asymptomatic spread.
www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

Haven't RTWT as it's six pages, bug does anyone know if masks have to fit for shops or public transport? We now have one each, but I obviously couldn't try it on and it's huge, wouldn't be close to airtight even if I altered the elastic loops. Will be just as big on my teenager. Can anyone make a fuss if we wear masks that don't fit? No fabric, no sewing machine to make my own.

And since you like to ask lots of questions, why don’t you ask yourself this one: why are you so vehemently opposed to masks? In countries where masks are widely worn, the death rate from Covid has been negligible compared to the UK.

Do you know how many people have died of Covid in Hong Kong? Seven. Not 7,000 - literally 7.

In the U.K.? At least 45,000, perhaps 60,000 or more.

But yeah, let’s focus on finding reasons not to wear masks.

It’s such an antisocial reaction. You are trying to disguise it with pseudoscience, but at the heart of it, you just don’t want to comply with something that would be helpful to others and good for society at wide.

Tbh I cannot get passed that some are advocating us breathing in damp spores that will already be on the material.
Then to keep wearing it might as well walk around with your mouths open.

Can you please find evidence that shows different. Because until then, nothing home made is covering the faces of myself or my family.

What other people decide to do is up to them. Rather than try and coerce either way I was posting links. But when you are accused of conspiracies, providing wrong info etc there’s no point.

So now with all of this hopefully they will make a choice for what suits them. And that Joe Bloggs cannot police us so if we see someone not wearing one we cannot shout eww lurgy, or show concern for those wearing home made.

I side with “complication” and encourage discussion.

No one will be checking the mask fits you.
A face covering is supposed to reduce transmission of the virus during direct face to face contact, so if some air, saliva etc comes out of the sides it's unlikely to reach the person in front of you's face.
You could just wear a scarf wrapped around face and mouth.

@Yellownotblue apologies. I miss quoted you, it was about the humidity. And I incorrectly said one a day when it’s two a day.

“You do not need to change a disposable mask every half hour. Even in very high heat (and Hong Kong is extremely hot), the mask will draw humidity away and will be good for a day. At most you may need two a day, in most circumstances”.

Although those original cruise passengers were given masks to change every 30 minutes. I suspect we reduced down from that because of money issues.

Anyway luckily currently they are not yet compulsory in England (except for some people on public transport and even then not all)

When you answer the fundamental question @Yellownotblue I will answer yours

Which Science would you follow?
The advice given for the medical people
The advice given for the general public

The scenario doesn’t matter. Think of any health related thing. When there are blatant contradictions which science do you follow?

I don’t even want a reason because it’s your own decision. I would just like to know.

And the passengers still managed to help pass it on after they landed.
Various sources from sm all the way to governments that mention this because of track and trace in place then.

@canigooutyet, what I do is of no relevance to you. You don’t want to follow any science at all.

I have explained at some length why there are different guidelines in health care settings and for the general public.

I side with “complication” and encourage discussion.

I agree with this apart from the 'encourage discussion' bit.

I don't think being repetitive and not listening at all really encourages discussion Nor being rude and dismissive.

I still don't really understand what you're getting at. Despite your reams of posting. I stand by my comment that you are over complicating. Not even sure what you're against. Maybe my fault. Maybe not.

I'm really happy with my cotton masks and the evidence for using it. i've been out in it today and now it's in the wash. No mouldy spores cheers. Thinking of trying neoprene as someone suggested it helps with glasses fogging.

Omg I’m quiet rude? For what knowing what I am talking about and trying to help others make informed choices?

No for for the arrogant and dismissive way you reply to people who don't necessarily agree with you. Since you seem to think YOU are the ONLY one who knows what they are talking about.

@canigooutyet

Yellownotblue Im sorry but your misuse of words conspiracy theory is really starting to make my teeth itch. ( it’s the pedantic in me) I know your saying it to try and make cannogoout look stupid or try and shut her up but I’ve C&P the real meaning for you. - pointing out that fabrics get processed in toxic chemicals is not a conspiracy theory. It’s just a fact.

Conspiracy theory ...

noun

1. a theory that rejects the standard explanation for an event and instead credits a covert group or organization with carrying out a secret plot.

2)a belief that a particular unexplained event was caused by such a covert group

3. the idea that many important political events or economic and social trends are the products of deceptive plots that are largely unknown to the general public

She hasn’t once spoken about any conspiracy theory.

You're making yourself look ridiculous now@Evelefteden

@sleepingpup

You're making yourself look ridiculous now@Evelefteden

And so are are you Sleeping

😉

I agree being rude and dismissive isn’t discussion. It just another way of shutting people down.

As I have said repeatedly I am not closed down to other people’s opinions and have been engaging with many posters. When proper links have been posted I have, well am, read through them.

When it became clear medics are adviced to use broken equipment in preference you have to wonder why. And I did.

Once they get damp there is lots of evidence about those spores on any material. Those can be more harmful than cv both long and short term.

I wish I was making this up or a conspiracy theory etc.

I just cannot get over people are being encouraged to do this without any mention of changing etc. Official advice how to do it so it doesn’t cause the wearer any harm.

You see it as protecting everyone and I’m not dismissing this. We should be looking out for people more.

I’m seeing it from the personal benefit to the wearer. Hence I asked about those who have tested they are clear.

They both come with risks. By talking about all aspects it enables others to become aware and make informed choices. And if people still want to they know more about the different materials, changing them etc.

Is that the simple problem and why I appear closed minded because I am helping other to make informed choices?

Because I won’t say ok fuck it I will just do as I am told and go away?

Because honestly this is the only thing I can think of. And if this is the case 🤣

*Because I won’t say ok fuck it I will just do as I am told and go away?
*
Has anybody ever suggested that? Don't think so.

Because honestly this is the only thing I can think of. And if this is the case 🤣

Read the posts. it's all there.

BBC article debunking false claims about ‘deadly masks’

www.bbc.com/news/53108405

Reuters fact check on safety of masks

www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-masks-list/fact-check-false-and-misleading-information-in-post-listing-dangers-of-face-masks-idUSKBN24333G

WHO guidelines list the potential risks of masks. The potential for harmful micro organisms is mentioned.

• potential increased risk of self-contamination due to the manipulation of a face mask and subsequently touching eyes with contaminated hands;(48, 49)

• potential self-contamination that can occur if non- medical masks are not changed when wet or soiled. This can create favourable conditions for microorganism to amplify; • potential headache and/or breathing difficulties, depending on type of mask used; • potential development of facial skin lesions, irritant dermatitis or worsening acne, when used frequently for long hours;(50) • difficulty with communicating clearly; • potential discomfort;(41, 51) • a false sense of security, leading to potentially lower adherence to other critical preventive measures such as physical distancing • waste management issues; improper mask disposal leading to increased litter in public places, risk of contamination to street cleaners and environment hazard; • difficulty communicating for deaf persons who rely on lip reading; • disadvantages for or difficulty wearing them, especially for children, developmentally challenged persons, those with mental illness, elderly persons with cognitive impairment, those with asthma or chronic respiratory or breathing problems, those who have had facial trauma or recent oral maxillofacial surgery, and those living in hot and humid environments.

Interesting World I do think of students when reading one and two if they had to wear them all day.

Shops are shorter time periods

So many countries/states having been wearing masks now it would be interesting to see if there were any persistent/mass negative health side effects. They've been wearing them for years in parts of Asia after all.

Anecdotally posters who live in places that are wearing masks seem to say "it's fine".

Thank you @Worldgonecrazy for listing those concerns.

@sleepingpup I suggest you read the whole thread again. No the words fuck off weren’t used but they might as well be.

Other countries yes wear them and have been for year. Are they using home made though? Because whenever I see images they don’t look home made to me.

And why do we need years of study on the effects when Who, CDC, the euro cdc, and various medical sites mention the health risks?

The bbc article @Yellownotblue posted talks about carbon emissions and breathing. No mention of the concerns from Who etc.

Reuter’s link talks about the medical masks. Also mentions face in particular.

Reading the newspaper articles are people getting confused when they see the word mask and assume it applies to all masks? Because there is a huge difference in the ones you can buy in the shops (medically tested for effectiveness) and home made.

But then I don’t believe everything I read in the news and go searching for the original sources.

@sleepingpup I suggest you read the whole thread again. No the words fuck off weren’t used but they might as well be.