Making the wearing of a mask manditory

[weepingwillow22]

Has anyone else noticed the worldometer projections for UK deaths have changed significantly since the relaxation of restrictions last week?
covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom

The deaths are now predicted to be back up to 800 a day by november with a second peak in cases surpassing the first one.

The graphs do however show that this can be avoided if mask wearing is made compulsory.

AIBU to think that the wearing of a mask or visor (excepting those eho cannot wear them for medical conditions) should be made manditory in all indoor public places in order to avoid this second peak.

If cases rise again to the extent projected here another national lockdown will be required resulting in more job losses, school closures and unnecessary deaths.

Surely the wearing of a mask is a small price to pay to avoid a second peak particularly as the scientific evidence now points to it being highly effective in preventing asymptomatic spread.
www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

we have been wearing masks for months Now its just on transport and when in shops ..I have purchased 50 disposable, which get put in bags, pockets just incase the rest and the ones we wear I have made, some by hand and then when I got my machine back a few more, I have used old pilowcases, a shirt and then I cut up pop socks for the elastic so i is softer on the ears. SOme I have made a big bigger so more space behind to breathe. I put them in plastic bags , when it gets hot and sweaty ( current outside temp here is 32 degrees ) I swap and place in plastic bag. Come home empty into hot water and weak bleach , leave to soak, bung in wash hang outside in the sun ! Its become a routine.... BUt then again we had strict rules from the start . You cannot get on a bus if you don't have one on , and you cannot enter a shop simple....

I imagine it probably will happen eventually in shops. I understand why although I am dreading it personally. I am currently pregnant and suffering horrendous sickness and vomitting, when I have to go to the hospital for my appointments and wear one it makes my sickness 10x worse having something covering my mouth and nose and often has me running to the hospital loo to be sick so I'll likely be unable to go anywhere requiring one.

@canigooutyet There's a list of 'reasonable excuses', yes, but if you don't have a 'reasonable excuse' your choice is to wear the mask or accept the fine. Here is the list for anyone who is interested.

You have a health condition or you are disabled and a face covering would be inappropriate because it would cause difficulty, pain or severe distress or anxiety or because you cannot apply a covering and wear it in the proper manner safely and consistently. Individual discretion should be applied in considering the use of face coverings for other children including, for example, children with breathing difficulties and disabled children who would struggle to wear a face covering
you need to eat or drink
you are taking medication
you are communicating with someone else who relies on lip reading
a relevant person, such as a police officer, asks you to remove your face covering
If none of those apply, wear your mask. Or don't, but accept that you're both risking a fine and possibly endangering others.

Nick Dampier Latin cross Flag of Wales
@Nick_Boro1
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@AvonandsomerRob
No, my elderly father had an Angina attack today because the store was too hot and he couldn't breathe through his mask. It should never be compulsory to wear one
8:27 PM · Jul 10, 2020·Twitter for Android
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But hey what do I know? I'm the conspiracy theorist, selfish person with MH who should go away and stop over complicating things

@canigooutyet if you're struggling with the practicalities of mask usage there are quite a lot of posters who have popped up on the various 'wearing masks' threads who are living in countries where mask wearing is mandatory. I've seen Asia, UEA, Germany, Portugal and others who didn't specify.

They are living with this issue. Maybe ask them how they manage. They all seem to.

@Yellownotblue really informative article. Thank you. 😷

@sleepingpup, thank you, I thought so too!

@sleepingpup
Clearly missed the point still. I along with millions have no need to struggle and doesn’t matter what country there are exemptions.

The issue I have is safety about home made.

Any chance of answering which science to follow?
The one for medics
The one for Joe Bloggs.

I’ve asked this a few times now and you and yellow seem to be ignoring it.
Your reading links and seeing the difference in advice and why so which one?

And it seems to be the preferred choice of info is from newspapers, although it’s probably the wrong choice. So here’s one that also mentions something about material type and how to use them. Also explains a bit why were told to dig out our scarves.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/10/what-kind-of-face-mask-gives-the-best-protection-against-covid-19

Why we weren’t *

@canigooutyet

Medics are exposed to a much higher risk of infections, simply because they work in healthcare settings.

Joe Bloggs on the street is also exposed to a risk, but not as high as medics.

There was a shortage of surgical masks earlier this year. Depending on where you are, there may still be a shortage. I live in Asia, where it is now very easy to buy a box of 50 surgical masks from any pharmacy, and of course you can buy them online. However, back in January/February, they were impossible to find. eBay stopped selling them, and many manufacturing countries including India made it illegal to export them.

Because of the global shortage of surgical masks, the UK government asked the population not to buy surgical masks, to ease the pressure and allow PPE to be provided to health professionals as a priority. But because of growing evidence that face masks provide some protection against the virus, they ask people to use face coverings (such as home made masks) instead.

It’s very difficult to evaluate the effectiveness of home made masks, because there is no quality control over them. Different fabrics, thicknesses, filters, sizes will produce different results. However, it is almost certain that home made masks are safer than no masks at all.

Now that the supply chain of PPE is getting back to normal, you may decide that you want to wear disposable masks if you think they are more secure than home made. Having used both disposables and reusables extensively, I find disposable masks more comfortable because they are much lighter than cotton ones. But I know lots of people who prefer to use reusable ones.

You do not need to change a disposable mask every half hour. Even in very high heat (and Hong Kong is extremely hot), the mask will draw humidity away and will be good for a day. At most you may need two a day, in most circumstances.

You don’t need to wear a mask if you are outdoors and away from people. In Hong Kong, it’s impossible to social distance in most settings, because of the density of population - there are people everywhere - therefore everyone wears a mask, all the time, except on hiking trails.

HTH

@canigooutyet I am not trying to be difficult but
the presumption that homemade masks are n"not safe" is not really an issue for me.

The "safest" masks are medical grade but as a barrier which cut down transmission of aerosol droplets across the population most masks will do for example cotton ones.

That is simple enough for me.

*Any chance of answering which science to follow?
The one for medics
The one for Joe Bloggs. *

You can follow which ever science you wish. I am just following the idea ( taken up by many countries) that masks cut down particle transmission. As we know on a one to one basis this protects other people more the the wearer.

Sorry I can't be more specific for you.
I did see a really interesting article which I will link above.

Quote from @Strictlybakeoff* on a similar thread.

We use the synthetic control method to analyze the effect of face masks on the spread of Covid-19 in Germany. Our identification approach exploits regional variation in the point in time when face masks became compulsory. Depending on the region we analyse, we find that face masks reduced the cumulative number of registered Covid-19 cases between 2.3% and 13% over a period of 10 days after they became compulsory. Assessing the credibility of the various estimates, we conclude that face masks reduce the daily growth rate of reported infections by around 40%.
ftp.iza.org/dp13319.pdf
Study showing how masks can help. There are no studies showing masks cause any harm*

I give up. Because you are missing the point that medical people are advised not to use home made because well read the various scientific evidence that they have been doing since before CV.

The same stuff have also discussed which type of material to use to get up to 60%.

The favoured bandana has proven to not give much protection. Same with silk, scarfs and countless other products.

Tests on how thickness btw to get the full possible protection is the quilted type.

And lol if you bothered to read my posts correctly you will note I have also mentioned more than one NOT to buy PPE and this was what helped to create the shortage. It was this shortage that required these policies to be updated. Home made no and it’s preferred to reuse even damaged equipment instead.

Even in hospitals staff are not walking around the buildings constantly wearing face masks. So why the need for hysteria?

But if you bothered to engage with the medical people who where posting rather than dismiss what they are saying you might know this. Look at what happened when someone confirmed what I was been taken the piss out off.

Anyway hopefully from this thread people will have enough info to make an informed choice. And those who don’t want exemptions will hopefully understand why it’s not as simple as wear or else...

Myself I shall be following the advice aimed at those to protect us, just like I did before CV when it came to these things. And rather than scream wear one or else, I shall help people make an informed choice. That’s how I am choosing to help protect others give them info from disease centres etc instead of various newspapers.

And I hope that people see why when your told to keep your child at home when Ill it finally gets through to them why. To not carry on as normal with stomach bugs like before. Those will do more to help protect others.

When these things get into the home they are quickly stamped out rather than - I don’t understand dh, me and 2 dcs have had a vomiting thing for the past 2 or so weeks now - not made u Btw, 2 weeks, 8 weeks etc. Look at them and how people with some basic hygiene in the home can stop the second from getting it. Even things like flu.

Oh and who knows maybe one day people might also start properly listening and take on board, along with legit medical advice, advice from those who daily lives involve infection control to survive another day.

*I give up. Because you are missing the point that medical people are advised not to use home made because well read the various scientific evidence that they have been doing since before CV.
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Tbh @canigooutyet I don't think I've missed any point.

You are very unclear and quite rude actually.

Ok goodbye @canigooutyet. I think you have made your position very clear. Good luck.

And @canigooutyet

I am Quite clear about medical advice - thanks. I don't NEED to engage wit the medical advise on these pages. As it happens my sisters are Doctors.

I am not hysterical .

I am happy with my hygiene practices.

Perhaps you need to take a hard look at what YOU have been endlessly posting.

We shall see. I am not a mask fan and even on trains you often don't have to wear them www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/592/contents/made

Omg I’m quiet rude? For what knowing what I am talking about and trying to help others make informed choices?

I’d rather than be rude than mock people. Although I’d feel an idiot if I spouted what some have done despite it being incorrect. But that’s just me, and I have even thanked those for giving new info. I made a couple of errors which I quickly rectified and apologized for.

Still reading through the list of many links. How are you finding it?

Comprehension skills lessons

I give up doesn’t equate to bye.

Yea I can be rude.

And lol cos you have relatives in the medical field like I’m supposed to say oh ok. How did those relatives help when you posted there is no research on home made masks, which we all know Is incorrect?

Thanks @xenia for posting the legislation

Good to see no mention that a random person can demand to know your reasons.

@canigooutyet, actually yes you have been quite rude to @sleepingpup and others.

You may think you know what you are talking about, but others clearly disagree. You have posted a lot of non factual opinions, including conspiracy theories about the “dangers” of cotton masks, and secret mask lobby.

You are going on and on about the same points, but you refuse to consider the arguments and evidence that have been offered repeatedly on the thread.

As I said a few days ago, we are clearly not going agree. So be it. I will be wearing masks, you won’t. Hopefully we won’t cross paths.

@Yellownotblue
Have you got any links to the claims that masks last all day or even two because the fabric soaks the sweat.

Therein lies the issue of why they have to be changed frequently and one of the health concerns to the wearer.

Why don’t we leave damp/wet things hanging around to dry?

Lol you @Yellownotblue have been rude and patronising.
There you go again with my conspiracy theory about cotton. Which is what unless organic cotton has chemicals. Which another person backed this up.

My “none” factual opinions have been backed up by others. I’ve even posted links to support what I claim. Yet wrong links and of course some bollocks about conspiracies.

And secret mask lobby - sounds interesting any idea how I can join? Although might not want me as I follow facts and common sense.

I have also asked for links to support this evidence. When they are posted reading them and oops what’s this about home made? Well I’ll never. But how can that be some dude on the tv told me different.

And of course I won’t agree with something that can cause people potential damage. Who would?

[quote canigooutyet]@Yellownotblue
Have you got any links to the claims that masks last all day or even two because the fabric soaks the sweat.

Therein lies the issue of why they have to be changed frequently and one of the health concerns to the wearer.

Why don’t we leave damp/wet things hanging around to dry?[/quote]
I never said you should reuse a disposable mask for two days.

Neither did I say they soak up sweat. The inner layer is designed to absorb moisture from your breathing.

Not sure you should be giving comprehension skills lessons to anyone.