Making the wearing of a mask manditory

[weepingwillow22]

Has anyone else noticed the worldometer projections for UK deaths have changed significantly since the relaxation of restrictions last week?
covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom

The deaths are now predicted to be back up to 800 a day by november with a second peak in cases surpassing the first one.

The graphs do however show that this can be avoided if mask wearing is made compulsory.

AIBU to think that the wearing of a mask or visor (excepting those eho cannot wear them for medical conditions) should be made manditory in all indoor public places in order to avoid this second peak.

If cases rise again to the extent projected here another national lockdown will be required resulting in more job losses, school closures and unnecessary deaths.

Surely the wearing of a mask is a small price to pay to avoid a second peak particularly as the scientific evidence now points to it being highly effective in preventing asymptomatic spread.
www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

@Vintagevixen

It's a political thing, its because Sturgeon has done it.

Really hope they don't do it in schools, know my daughter couldn't concentrate on learning with one on. Would be a disaster for her education.

If your daughter has a specific reason for not wearing one, she'll get an exception.

My feeling is that teachers going off sick would be more disruptive!

Yes I do mean online from various disease control centres, virus control, various medical scientific sources etc that are online.

I have asked for credible sources to show evidence that science says there is no harm to the wearer from making an homemade mask.

I have asked for credible sources that show evidence that shows home made masks are effective.

And hopefully by talking about these issues proper conclusive research can be done. People can look it their choices from knowing more info. Just whilst medical people are advised against them, I'm choosing to follow them and try and keep on top of new scientific findings.

Why are we being asked to wear something that has little evidence to show it's usefulness and not advised for medical people?

It is potentially harmful to the wearer hence during PPE shortage policies were updated and previous scientific stuff said no because of this and why.

How they are worn by the masses is also done so correctly and IF they have a virus they will still be transmitting it to others. Same with other viruses that also around that we could just as easily get.

So apart from a "comfort blanket" aspect who is getting helped?

She hasn't but I don't want her wearing one, she's there to learn and a facemark would drive her nuts, she'd just spend all lesson fiddling with it. Her education has been harmed enough by bring off school since March.

As far as I know no greater risk for teachers than any other profession, I'm not bothered about DD getting it in all honesty. Very mild for kids. Plus she's had her BCG, big thing in the news all of a sudden.

Other measures more appropriate for school I think bubbles, part time full days, staggered times etc. Think some countries do make mask wearing compulsory and some not? eg Germany not but France yes for Masks.

Masks in schools circles back to speech and language development, and how a part of seeing how the words are made etc goes towards learning.

One of the logical solutions for this would be see through masks. But of course this in itself comes with a whole heap of considerations because people's first thoughts would be insane things like cling film. I am not advising the use of cling film around faces before someone gets confused.

Perspex boxes?

The hospital "tent" system or any of there brilliant ideas for these situations that were updated earlier this year to include this particular strain.

I was at the shops today in a Scottish town and nearly everyone was wearing a mask. Stop making daft excuses and just get on with it.

@Vintagevixen

She hasn't but I don't want her wearing one, she's there to learn and a facemark would drive her nuts, she'd just spend all lesson fiddling with it. Her education has been harmed enough by bring off school since March.

As far as I know no greater risk for teachers than any other profession, I'm not bothered about DD getting it in all honesty. Very mild for kids. Plus she's had her BCG, big thing in the news all of a sudden.

Other measures more appropriate for school I think bubbles, part time full days, staggered times etc. Think some countries do make mask wearing compulsory and some not? eg Germany not but France yes for Masks.

I don't think they'll be compulsory in schools anyway, but she might be fine. All those students in Japan seem to manage!

I was at the shops today in a Scottish town and nearly everyone was wearing a mask. Stop making daft excuses and just get on with it.

Because if you don't you pay a £60 fine. It's nothing to do with doing the right thing, or fear of the virus or whatever.

@canigooutyet

Masks in schools circles back to speech and language development, and how a part of seeing how the words are made etc goes towards learning.

One of the logical solutions for this would be see through masks. But of course this in itself comes with a whole heap of considerations because people's first thoughts would be insane things like cling film. I am not advising the use of cling film around faces before someone gets confused.

Perspex boxes?

The hospital "tent" system or any of there brilliant ideas for these situations that were updated earlier this year to include this particular strain.

Cannigoout 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I’m absolutely creased up. Thank I you I really needed that!

The Japan argument doesn't wash with me, I try and encourage critical thinking over blind obedience in my parenting. We all have different styles.

@Sockyarn I didn't say anything about what was motivating each individual because I don't know, but if the threat of a fine has motivated some to get on with it and stop making daft excuses then it has worked splendidly.

@Vintagevixen

The Japan argument doesn't wash with me, I try and encourage critical thinking over blind obedience in my parenting. We all have different styles.

Not sure what you mean here but yes, we do all have different styles

Students in Japan are incredibly compliant due to their social structure. Our students aren't.

In Scotland and had to wear one at shops today. Absolutely hated it, had to take glasses off as they were getting steamed up, felt claustrophobic, itchy and hard to breathe. Will not be going to the shops again anytime soon!!

In Scotland and had to wear one at shops today. Absolutely hated it, had to take glasses off as they were getting steamed up, felt claustrophobic, itchy and hard to breathe. Will not be going to the shops again anytime soon!!

Well I kind of mean that I wouldn't expect her to be a bit of an automaton and wear a mask without questioning why, she has worn one on public transport because its compulsory (and normally brief obvs) and hates it, she feels suffocated and constantly fiddles with it. I won't deny those feelings and force her unless someone forces me (as on transport.) She even hates socks with seams, possibly a sensory thing?

I want her not to be a blind rule follower IYSWIM, but others would see me as a lax parent for not forcing her. I also have worked hard in protecting her mental health in the pandemic, and largely succeeded because she's really not concerned. Masks in school wouldn't help this IMO. Plus learning would be near to zero.

Hope that makes sense.

They're wearing them in France too.

I don't think we should say we can't wear them for cultural reasons, we just need to try to do what is needed really.

The hospital stuff is really interesting and even goes on about the other issue of air circulation and how temporary solutions can be made to fit existing buildings.

So much of this could be used across schools and other businesses with suitable adjustments to them. There was even designs specific for schools because it's a global thing. I know I keep mentioning them (I'm not affiliated just the easiest sometimes ro start with them) WHO have had all these things on their public access website since around March. Stuff from back in January shows they have been passing all this stuff along to the world. As things develop so does their website along with various viral and disease control centres across the globe. Search something like that and the country and you find their own policies.

The European disease one who is the main something or other that. distributes uptodate medical stuff to the rest of Europe which we are still included in and often get mentioned in terms of collaboration etc.

@Evelefteden so I was posting it.

And apologies all if I'm banging on a bit. Just all the various research and stuff is bloody interesting. Plus chuck in the stuff about how we act as members of society and the thread in itself becomes an interesting anecdotal study 🤣Who knows the study of all this might be the thing that kicks me up my arse to finish a long forgotten about pyschology degree. Couldn't finish it because my mind wouldn't stop asking bloody questions that delved deeper 🤣

@Vintagevixen yes that makes sense.

I also am quite a questioner - just I happen to be in favour of masks!

My daughter has been wearing full PPE while doing 12 hour shifts since the beginning of the pandemic. If she can do that, I can wear a fricking cotton mask to the shops. Can't breathe, my arse.

Someone asked for evidence about mask wearing, here is a link to 70 studies on the subject that I saw on reddit threader.app/thread/1279144399897866248

I haven't read all of these (haven't had time) but the links should all work if you want to read them yourself.

If she can do that, I can wear a fricking cotton mask to the shops. Can't breathe, my arse.

exactly

If she can do that, I can wear a fricking cotton mask to the shops. Can't breathe, my arse.

exactly

Yes I have been wearing full PPE for 12 hour shifts too (ICU nurse) Downton, and I object to masks as outlined above. Thats no argument.

Do you mean for your daughter Vintage?
Still can't see why adults would object to wearing them.

Thank you @Yugi that is an epic list!!

For anyone interested how droplet viruses work like this one and more, the first link explains it in simple terms. Not that I'm suggesting it needs explaining in these terms, I know I do sometimes to help make those really medical intent ones more understandable 🤣

I look forward to going through them.