Making the wearing of a mask manditory

[weepingwillow22]

Has anyone else noticed the worldometer projections for UK deaths have changed significantly since the relaxation of restrictions last week?
covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom

The deaths are now predicted to be back up to 800 a day by november with a second peak in cases surpassing the first one.

The graphs do however show that this can be avoided if mask wearing is made compulsory.

AIBU to think that the wearing of a mask or visor (excepting those eho cannot wear them for medical conditions) should be made manditory in all indoor public places in order to avoid this second peak.

If cases rise again to the extent projected here another national lockdown will be required resulting in more job losses, school closures and unnecessary deaths.

Surely the wearing of a mask is a small price to pay to avoid a second peak particularly as the scientific evidence now points to it being highly effective in preventing asymptomatic spread.
www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

Been following this for a few days or so...

Boris not long spoke about this...I'll link it below. Does seem to look like we are heading towards face coverings becoming mandatory in places you would be confined with those you don't ordinarily meet, such as shops. I for one, would be happy to do so if ot decreases everyone's chances of getting some level of normal life back.

www.pscp.tv/w/cdc12HR3LTU1MjQ0NjczfDFPd3hXTG1OZ29OS1EM59DaIVdpRPxyaxm8H6Q9fv4pUwl19lCdmpb4_x5Fig==?t=22m49s

@Evelefteden, I stand by what I posted. It is a conspiracy theory. No amount of repeating it will make it come true. Breathing through a cotton mask will not poison you.

Do you not feel any sense of personal liability for promoting behaviours that may lead to people dying?

I find that quite hard to understand, honestly.

Yes it will be coming in unfortunately for shops etc because politicians like to listen to the loudest voices, think its inevitable. As I've said I will chuck a scarf round my face if it gives others the confidence to get out and about, but still don't agree that there is much scientific basis to it.

[quote WittyWhitty]Been following this for a few days or so...

Boris not long spoke about this...I'll link it below. Does seem to look like we are heading towards face coverings becoming mandatory in places you would be confined with those you don't ordinarily meet, such as shops. I for one, would be happy to do so if ot decreases everyone's chances of getting some level of normal life back.

www.pscp.tv/w/cdc12HR3LTU1MjQ0NjczfDFPd3hXTG1OZ29OS1EM59DaIVdpRPxyaxm8H6Q9fv4pUwl19lCdmpb4_x5Fig==?t=22m49s[/quote]
Sorry! That should say "if it increases", not decreases!

We really don't want to decrease our chances, frankly...

Can't understand why it's such a big deal to wear one tbh. And don't pile on telling me your individual health and welfare difficulties. I think it is totally reasonable that they trump mask wearing. But everyone else?

I don't buy into the 'harmful' effects of cotton/fabric lobby🙄

A homemade mask will never be as effective as medical grade one but as a simple defensive barrier against airborne droplets. Great.

People are going to be moaning about washing their hands next.

We all promote behaviours that lead to people dying whether intentionally or not. None of us are innocent of that.

I'd quite like people to stop flying, chucking away mounds of waste and consuming tat and devote some attention to the very real threat of climate change, because that harms humans.

I'd quite like people to refrain from drinking too much and taking drugs because that harms others and I end up nursing the consequences, but you know, humans are imperfect and all that.

@Vintagevixen, those are good points.

I suppose I just don’t often see posts advocating alcohol or drug abuse, drunk driving, or increasing your carbon footprint for the hell of it!

www.nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/0535.pdf

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/toxic-chemicals-in-clothes-cancer-2019-7%3famp

www.google.co.uk/amp/brightside.me/inspiration-health/5-toxic-fabrics-that-can-be-harmful-to-your-health-and-what-you-can-wear-instead-794780/amp/

Doesn’t matter if you don’t buy in to it. It looks like people have already been looking at it. Wear a home made mask or don’t I’m not arsed.

Even if the risk is very very low Cannigoout had a valid point but posters took to taking the piss rather than looking at it.

Yellow it’s really odd you keep calling the chemical process of how we make clothes a conspiracy theory. It’s a fact. Google it. Watch you tube vids. Wool is actually even worse. Do you just randomly shout out ‘conspiracy theory!!’ when you have no idea about some thing

@sleepingpup People are going to be moaning about washing their hands next

Good point, I bet the soap lobby is behind that one. 🙄

No those posts aren't often, but people do do it (try A and E on a weekend night!)

I will be wearing my mask when Bojo makes them compulsory in shops because I'm generally a reasonable member of society! I do however think the evidence is flimsy and its really for show.

We can agree to disagree!

sorry @Evelefteden here to discuss wearing masks. I'm sure i could look that all up myself if I was worried about breathing through cotton.

Actually going to try neoprene as suggested by
@goose1964 as it is tricky with glasses.

Aw so because I question the logic of using something that has not been scientifically tested I'm a conspiracy theorist?

Even though the medical people themselves advice each other don't wear something home made because of previous research into their effectiveness in times of emergency. And the major no was because they don't work.

And if a scarf is effective why isn't the advice dig out your winter wardrobe for your old scarfs?

I am not deliberately trying to find ways around not wearing masks. I am just looking for actual evidence that says the use of home made masks actually works and doesn't cause the wearer any health implications .

When so far all I see is well they might work using ppe grade. As for your homemade reuse the ppe if you have to but take caution. Read your own links.

I get told I am the one who is selfish for not wearing one because I'm not thinking about other people. Yet here I am trying to find scientific evidence that shows home made aren't harmful when science says different. If I didn't give a shit I wouldn't be trying to find this out considering I don't have to wear one.

As I have said I am here to help. educate to allow people to make informed choices. and of course hear any new credible sources of info, and peoples views. It's interesting.

@Evelefteden, it’s not the process of how clothes are made that is the issue. It’s the totally unsubstantiated claim that cotton masks release harmful chemicals that are dangerous. That is the conspiracy theory.

You still have not offered any evidence for that claim, despite posting a bunch of random and irrelevant links about rayon, polyester, and denim dyes.

Tbh @canigooutyet I think you massively complicate a simple question.

As for carbon footprint

Where you going for your next holiday, what car should we get, every weekend traipsing around the shops. Encouraged to go out and spent.

Just some of the things talk about a lot in their every days lifes and encourage others to do so.

A cotton mask or any fabric you've got at home mask is not going to stop a virus getting through it, in either direction. It's not the right material. They aren't harmful, they just aren't going to do anything.

But it makes everyone feel safe, so meh.

If people didn't over complicate these things and wonder about these things and I mean things in general btw. Then how would we ever evolve? How would we ever find out what is good/bad for us? We'd be still thinking lead paint was ok on cots!!

And here is a key thing. All those developments came with proper research to back up their claims.

And now apparently we have one side of the medical community endorsing the use of home made, yet another side say not a chance.

Only one has the scientific back up.

Who do you listen to?

It's not deliberate and I wish I had an off switch.

@Vintagevixen

No those posts aren't often, but people do do it (try A and E on a weekend night!)

I will be wearing my mask when Bojo makes them compulsory in shops because I'm generally a reasonable member of society! I do however think the evidence is flimsy and its really for show.

We can agree to disagree!

Yes we can agree to disagree! I agree 😁

One fun analogy I read about face masks was the parachutes one. The evidence that parachutes are effective at saving your life if you fall from a plane, is rather weak. That’s because no one has ever been able to do a double blind study comparing a group of parachute wearers, and a group of non parachute wearers, under controlled conditions. But we all know that parachutes work...

The fact that scientific evidence on the effectiveness of face masks has not fully emerged, does not mean they don’t work.

@Vintagevixen
You wondered what about with regards to the cruise ships. There were 3 Diamond princess was one of the names. Google it it's very interesting and WHO amongst others did include them and plot what happened when they left those cruises. There's also loads of news articles from around April iirc that also talks about what happened.

[quote Yellownotblue]@Evelefteden, it’s not the process of how clothes are made that is the issue. It’s the totally unsubstantiated claim that cotton masks release harmful chemicals that are dangerous. That is the conspiracy theory.

You still have not offered any evidence for that claim, despite posting a bunch of random and irrelevant links about rayon, polyester, and denim dyes.[/quote]
Well if your not going to bother reading them why should I look for more evidence?

Have you ever hear of byssinosis? It’s inhaling Cotten fibres.

Yes it’s extreme but it can and does happen. If your mouth is inhaling near fibre it’s obvious your going into inhale what ever is on it. Regardless if it causes damage or not.

So while you took the piss out of cannigoout she did have a valid point.

There is a difference between discussing something and ridiculing some one.

If people didn't over complicate these things and wonder about these things and I mean things in general btw. Then how would we ever evolve? How would we ever find out what is good/bad for us? We'd be still thinking lead paint was ok on cots!!

No- just because there is no evidence or studies ( and I presume you mean that you can find online, unless you are a scientific researcher ) to show that home made face coverings are not harmful - it doesn't mean they are.

Like the parachute analogy.

You can be curious and interested without complicating things to the the nth degree.

At some point you can say 'this face covering stops me breathing droplets onto someone in the fruit and veg section' and you can make that decision and hopefully it will be better than if you didn't wear it.

And you don't have to search the internet for hours to decide that.

Skydiving not my thing Yellow!

You're correct, lack of evidence doesn't prove they are ineffective.

There's a lot to be learnt about this virus. Some interesting studies about T cell immunity coming out, theorising that a lot more of us may be immune than antibody testing indicates. Interestingly my Bro and his family were ill beginning of April, had antibody tests and his daughter had none but his wife (who was the most affected) had strong antibodies, which would fit in with the T cell theory! Purely anecdotal though.

Yes will look up the cruise thing when I get a chance, I seem to remember it was very interesting that a good proportion of people were negative when tested, but no one really sure why.

It looks like masks are going to be made compulsory.

Coronavirus: No 10 considering mandatory face masks in shops in England www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53365062

Just five months too late. And no doubt at a cost of thousands of lives.

How will the unions let them enforce masks in shops but not school?

It's a political thing, its because Sturgeon has done it.

Really hope they don't do it in schools, know my daughter couldn't concentrate on learning with one on. Would be a disaster for her education.