Making the wearing of a mask manditory

[weepingwillow22]

Has anyone else noticed the worldometer projections for UK deaths have changed significantly since the relaxation of restrictions last week?
covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom

The deaths are now predicted to be back up to 800 a day by november with a second peak in cases surpassing the first one.

The graphs do however show that this can be avoided if mask wearing is made compulsory.

AIBU to think that the wearing of a mask or visor (excepting those eho cannot wear them for medical conditions) should be made manditory in all indoor public places in order to avoid this second peak.

If cases rise again to the extent projected here another national lockdown will be required resulting in more job losses, school closures and unnecessary deaths.

Surely the wearing of a mask is a small price to pay to avoid a second peak particularly as the scientific evidence now points to it being highly effective in preventing asymptomatic spread.
www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

If it makes you feel better, go ahead and believe that. I’m not going to engage in disproving you.

And there you are again @Yellownotblue trying to silence me. because you don't like what I am saying.

You tell me to listen to the medical people, which I have and provided actual sources not news articles.

You now patronise myself and other because of MH condition. Why?

Why should I walk away when I have questions to ask instead of just going along with something cos Tom Hanks said so? You cannot answer my questions that is fine to admit to this. But I won't be going anywhere. If you don't like what I am posting and think I am in breech of the guidelines you can report me. Same with I could report you for your language but not so that others can read it. Would have added it, but the function is temperamental.

And as another poster asked @Yellownotblue what part of the CDC post was a conspiracy theory or even an indicator of my political views?

Mandatory in Scotland from today. And different rules about travelling to countries. We have quarantine for Spain

Here are some links to studies, abstracts and reports supporting the use of face masks to reduce Covid-19 transmission.

fightcovid19.hku.hk/hku-hamster-research-shows-masks-effective-in-preventing-covid-19-transmission/

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext

www.ust.hk/newsresearch-and-innovation/hkust-co-led-study-suggests-universal-face-mask-wearing-urgent-against

www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3090440/coronavirus-face-masks-save-lives-japanese-study-says

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200612172200.htm

www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2020/06/13/face-masks-may-be-the-key-determinant-of-the-covid-19-curve-study-suggests/#1784c84f6497

www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

Why didn't more police die?

You want to wait until more people die before you decide whether masks are a good idea?

death is a fact of life

Yes, timely death at the ends of ones life. But when you are in an ICU bed with machines breathing your last breath for you, leaving your young children behind, I suspect you would view that differently.

Homemade masks are useless. The virus is around 1000 smaller than the gaps in the weave in regular cotton. It’s like using a chain link fence to keep out the mosquitos.

That’s why the homemade versions are recommended to be two ply with a pocket to put a filter in, or have a washable filter sewn in.

And not “useless” but certainly better than nothing.

And what is so amusing about chemical in a cotton t-shirt? Unless they are 100% organic they have chemicals in them from growing to reaching the shelves. Although there are questions about organic cotton agriculturally. Even saying a cotton tshirt isn't that simplistic because of the various blends etc.

@MintyMabel completely agree with your post.

You will see this as opposition, but you could have mentioned animal testing for the first link.

I'm still reading the second one
For the general public, evidence shows that physical distancing of more than 1 m is highly effective and that face masks are associated with protection, even in non-health-care settings, with either disposable surgical masks or reusable 12–16-layer cotton ones, although much of this evidence was on mask use within households and among contacts of cases. Eye protection is typically underconsidered and can be effective in community settings. However, no intervention, even when properly used, was associated with complete protection from infection. Other basic measures (eg, hand hygiene) are still needed in addition to physical distancing and use of face masks and eye protection.

How many of these homemade ones are using 12-16 layers?

Yes, timely death at the ends of ones life. But when you are in an ICU bed with machines breathing your last breath for you, leaving your young children behind, I suspect you would view that differently.

I dont believe I would because my mental health is so shit right now and my life essentially feels over. Certainly when I had a horrendous cough, breathing difficulties etc earlier in the year I was adamant that dh was not to call an ambulance whatever happened. Can't wear a mask, can't go places, am letting my kids down constantly.

But hey, Yellownotblue is posting links saying we should easily desensitise ourselves to the issues we feel with masks by forcing ourselves to wear them with zero mental health support. If only it was that simple...I wonder why the NHS has paid for 2 years of trauma related therapy for me.

@Yellownotblue have you read the links provided? The second one is about medical grade and 12 - 16 layers. No mention of make it at home. None of the official wear a mask mentions 12 - 16 layers. Is this not something that people should be aware of?

It has been established that mask use reduces transmission.

Many countries including Scotland use mandatory mask wearing as part of their defence against Covid. Like entire countries.

They are not lovely to wear. You get used to them just like all medical staff have had to get used to them. When my mask is bugging me i just bear in mind that I'm in the supermarket and not dealing with patients in ICU. Bit of perspective.

Some people with health conditions, MH conditions will find it difficult. And young children. They can be exempt.

But why why why would anyone else REFUSE to wear a mask. Simply don't get it.

Remember when people were saying " it's just flu". Are you the same ones?

Did I say that I wanted deaths in that or other posts on this thread?
No I didn't. I've even talked about the deaths as a result of "lockdown". The increased suicides. Millions going without treating. Millions needing various and often live saving tests. All on hold for how long?

You assume I don't know what ICU is like. I don't just have MH but physical health hence on the shielding list and exempt regardless of my MH. Before CV germs and viruses were a risk so we lived like this for years. Last year yet again I nearly died and flatlined, I don't know how long for because I never ask as I don't want to know. Death comes when it comes.

It just that I chose to not wear one because of the information I have from various medical people, including some that have been posted on here. It's what we should be all doing looking into the things can impact our own health.

Don't you want to know what you are breathing in? Are people using flammable or non flammable materials etc?

In their correct context masks are very essential and encouraged to used and tested. So far none of these medical tests have supported the use of them. And two-ply where did this number come from which again varies with the 12-16 layer.

One thing the scientific community agree on is that is the user is too hot from the mask it is ineffective. THere's even sections about the different googles/visors because of the stem glass effect etc. One of the reasons about their ineffectiveness is how why there's a variety of masks and visors. I don't even have to post a link to evidence this, yellow did it under the animal testing one.

Today 14:10 Yellownotblue

@Evelefteden, the part about cotton T-shirts containing ‘dangerous chemicals’ that would be harmful if breathing through them

That’s not a conspiracy- it’s an understanding and awareness of the chemical process that goes in to making clothes. That’s why there is ‘organic’ and non organic.

Unlike organic cotton, a slew of toxic synthetic chemicals are also required in processing conventional cotton. Some of these chemicals include silicone waxes, petroleum scours, softeners, heavy metals, flame retardants, ammonia, and formaldehyde.

Even though they maybe microscopic I dont think any of those were meant to be breathed in.

@Evelefteden

Yet I'm the crazy one who should listen to the scientists and Tom Hanks, when I do I'm a conspiracy theorists, and of course I should shut up, do as I'm told and go away cos you know MH 🤣

Sorry but I think you're really really over complicating this.@Evelefteden and @canigooutyet .

I am an ITU nurse, so I have all the perspective I need and I am used to wearing N95 masks for a whole shift. Also looked after many COVID patients.

.Still not keen on wearing a mask outside work, I will do it as its compulsory now on public transport but it comes off the minute I step off/out of stations. Still not convinced by the very weak evidence re. homemade masks.

Nothing wrong in engaging in respectful debate or critical thinking.

Why?
Have you seen what some of these chemicals can do to people?

Isn't there a massive boycott against Aspertimine (sp?) and various links. Look at. many other chemicals that are within our clothes etc. The very same things we are encouraged to put across our mouth/noses for prolonged periods of time.

The two ply and filter this was the first time I heard this, and my automatic question is what type of filter? So I'm searching for this now.

I'm a pain to live with simply because my brain unfortunately doesn't hear something and say ok. It starts endless bloody questions. I'm still answering myself to questions from years ago were I haven't got a definitive answer.

@sleepingpup

Sorry but I think you're really really over complicating this.**@Evelefteden* and @canigooutyet* .

Im simply replying to a poster about the chemical process she clearly didn’t understand went on. It’s not a conspiracy

I don’t care if people want to wear home made masks.

And even gov cannot make up their minds. This is their official how to make a mask, no mention of a filter. The age of the child is under 2 are exempt. So does our government mean 11 or 2?

It's not a question to try and find another way to avoid. My children are no longer this age.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-to-wear-and-make-a-cloth-face-covering/how-to-wear-and-make-a-cloth-face-covering

forgot the link

@Evelefteden, have you never worn a scarf or cagoule? Did you get poisoned by it?

Please can you direct me to any source showing that breathing through cotton material causes sustained harm?

If you wear a home made mask you will 100% breath in anything the cotton has been made off and fibres of the material. You just will. Even if it’s microscopic.

If the government want you to wear masks they have to issue appropriate ones and not take the piss and let people fashion their own.

If I am prepared for my family and I to wear clothes without researching every single one I am happy to wear a fabric mask. No ill effects yet.

I can't see how a barrier to droplets can't NOT help reduce transmission. Simple as.

I feel like some on here will nit pick and nit pick to the nth degree. And want to find a complication.

It's such a simple easy thing to do. I really don't understand why you wouldn't ( and please I don't mean those with specific and additional issues)

If the government want you to wear masks they have to issue appropriate ones and not take the piss and let people fashion their own.*

sorry I think you are making this very complicated.