Making the wearing of a mask manditory

[weepingwillow22]

Has anyone else noticed the worldometer projections for UK deaths have changed significantly since the relaxation of restrictions last week?
covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom

The deaths are now predicted to be back up to 800 a day by november with a second peak in cases surpassing the first one.

The graphs do however show that this can be avoided if mask wearing is made compulsory.

AIBU to think that the wearing of a mask or visor (excepting those eho cannot wear them for medical conditions) should be made manditory in all indoor public places in order to avoid this second peak.

If cases rise again to the extent projected here another national lockdown will be required resulting in more job losses, school closures and unnecessary deaths.

Surely the wearing of a mask is a small price to pay to avoid a second peak particularly as the scientific evidence now points to it being highly effective in preventing asymptomatic spread.
www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

@Yellownotblue I also think the UK is taking a strange line on masks, even the USA has about 60% wearing them.

I will stick a mask on for transport or a closed shop if it makes others less afraid to go out, but not in an open street or in the middle of the park, that's ridiculous. I've even seen people on their own in their cars wearing them 😂. Spend most of the time wiping my glasses (yes tried surgical tape etc it's useless) so clearly they're not keeping much of my breath in, it's just squirting out the top! I'm not really that afraid of the virus myself so not bothered about protection for myself.

Lots of scientific theory at the moment on T cells being the reason that places in Asia have lower death rates, that the population has residual T cell immunity from other SARS type viruses in that region, which Europe hasn't had. So it may not be mask wearing, that's just one variable.

I will stick a mask on for transport or a closed shop if it makes others less afraid to go out, but not in an open street or in the middle of the park, that's ridiculous. I've even seen people on their own in their cars wearing them 😂. Spend most of the time wiping my glasses (yes tried surgical tape etc it's useless) so clearly they're not keeping much of my breath in, it's just squirting out the top! I'm not really that afraid of the virus myself so not bothered about protection for myself.

Lots of scientific theory at the moment on T cells being the reason that places in Asia have lower death rates, that the population has residual T cell immunity from other SARS type viruses in that region, which Europe hasn't had. So it may not be mask wearing, that's just one variable.

Yellownotblue Thanks, that's worth knowing.

I was thinking why are people wearing them in their own car when alone.

Then I realised that it would be easier than having to clean the car regularly. If I drove I'd have the windows open and hope that was enough tbh 🤣

How do people drive around the rest of the world?

Are the people opposed to wearing masks the same as the people who were opposed to lockdown? If so, that seems strange as the relatively simple act of wearing a face covering currently provides us with the best evidence of reducing transmission, which would mean less need for lockdowns (local or national).

People arent opposed to wearing masks . Some people cant wear them. What part of that cant some hard of thinking ppl get?

Having worked in the hospital constantly through out the pandemic, wearing masks constantly in the building (not when actively treating patients at risk and then they'd be fffp3) only came mandatory after the government announcement in June. As has been stated only a few hundred people came down with the virus in the last week out of a population of millions. Members of the public don't generally wear them properly, so what's the point anyway?

Wearing them all day is horrendous, you dont breathe properly so people feel out of breath or dizzy from not breathing deep enough. Communication in them is hard.
All my career I've been told the paper masks are next useless after 15 mins once they're damp. People keeping the same one and wearing it over and over is also pointless.

I really hope it isnt made compulsory in general society. If individual businesses want to make their customers wear them fine that is their choice but please government dont make it a rule...

Boots beauty advisors could be made redundant according to Coronavirus Briefing.

I guess the wearing of face masks prohibits the need to buy make up

Helena there are plenty of people who are opposed to wearing masks because they are a bit uncomfortable or because they think they look silly, you just have to listen to any conversation about mask-wearing. That's not the same as having a genuine reason for not being able to wear one. If everyone who was able to wore a mask indoors then it would also help to protect those who aren't able to.

I think masks indoors at least should be compulsory. All secondary school age children should wear them upon return to school. I got my severely autistic DS to wear one the other day when we went out so NT kids should be able to (with exceptional cases aside).

I don't want masks to be mandatory indoors.
Have a look at how people wear them on transport. Many people only wear them to get on the train then pull them down.
The same will happen in shops.
If you want to wear a mask indoors it is your choice.
I don't want to wear a mask. And should have a choice too.
The number of infections have been going down. The risk of being infected is tiny.

Out of genuine curiosity, which conditions make it difficult to wear a mask?

@monkeytennis97

Masks in schools will create so many issues though. Difficult to hear students/staff speaking. Bullying, taking them on and off, it'll be another thing to police. Also there's a high chance of kids misusing them.

Now the community incidence is down to 1 in 3200 the odds of anyone having it are tiny and should hopefully reduce further by September.

COPD (which DH has) asthma, PTSD.

Yes I was also against enforced lockdown and thankfully the guidelines, even for us shielding was sensible enough to include exemptions.

As with the wearing of mask, there were those who genuinely believed and said that they should stay locked away. I was also called all types of selfish then because I dared to go out of my home. Several times in fact, probably all still on here.

I hadn't committed a crime and so had done nothing wrong to begin with. Unless the very existence of those with health problems is the issue. To lock someone up as was demanded, and to a point now with the mask narrative isn't easy. Thankfully there are laws that prevent this happening for arbitrary reasons based on people's own ideals don't allow this, okay not always foolproof, but they exist.

No government is stupid enough to put into law that you can wear the mask or stay the fuck indoors/face penalty. Just think about the ramifications of that for a moment.

So like it or not, people are just going to accept that not everyone can wear the mask, their reasons are their own. They just like you are trying to have a peacefully legal life often one hour at a time never mind one day at a time.

You are lashing out at the wrong people and when it comes to viruses, unless they have been created, there simply is no-one to blame.

This is simply one of those moments you tell yourself that will never happen to you. You accept, you adjust, you move on. And by adjusting I do mean those reasonable adjustments that were oh so important a couple of months ago because of [insert whatever temp condition]

From The Spectator today

Britain’s list of coronavirus not-spots

Britain is now doing more Covid-19 testing than anywhere else in Europe, offering a detailed regional picture that shows how rapidly the virus has receded in most of the country. The latest figures were released earlier this afternoon, for 29 June to 5 July, using the German definition: how many weekly positive infections per 100,000 people? The German danger zone is 50. Of 150 upper-tier local authorities in England, only one is over that limit: locked-down Leicester. And even now it’s unclear if this is due to more testing or more virus. Some 73 per cent of local authorities now have a score of 5 weekly infections or less per 100,000 people. It is hard to argue that, in these areas, there is a significant risk in allowing theatres to reopen, children to attend school or church congregations to sing. And what about the cities? Forget about the ratios: let’s look at the actual number of positive tests. In London, a city of nine million, there were just 35 infections diagnosed a day. In Bournemouth, scene of the famous beach photos, there were just four positive Covid-19 cases all week. In Devon and Middlesborough, just four. In Sunderland, two cases all week. In Darlington, one. And of all the tests taken in Bath and Cornwall, not one came back positive.

Now the community incidence is down to 1 in 3200 the odds of anyone having it are tiny and should hopefully reduce further by September.

But surely that was also true in January/early February? And then infections started to snowball. With lockdown easing, what’s to prevent the rate from creeping up again?

I don't want to wear a mask. And should have a choice too.

The problem with this is that mask wearing is for the benefit of others, not yourself.

@foxtiger

Out of genuine curiosity, which conditions make it difficult to wear a mask?

Various illnesses that impact the lungs - Asthma, Copd, along with various chest infections, lung diseases, cancer of the lung. Obviously this all depends on the severity of the illness to begin with and how controlled. At the. moment this will be sktchy for some simply because those departments aren't open.

PTSD from a number of different ways. There is also something similar that I forget the name of.

Anxiety can also be a cause, which is ironic considering it's the anxiety of others that want to create issues.

Just a few of the things I can think of.

One bus company alone estimates around 15% of their travellers will be exempt. Also find out more about this card thing, and I find it sad that it has come to people to blindly have to provide evidence of their need.

Yes Its very sinister.

@monkeytennis97

What happens when he refuses to put the mask on?
How will you force him to wear it so he can attend school?

Those little spy cameras are really cheap btw, I'm now as part of my going out coping protection thing
My god, now I really am spluttering my tea! This has to be a wind up! Going out protection thing? Since she was that a thing?
All this stuff with vigilantes and spy devices for a risk that is so insubstantial as to be negligible.

It's winter when people are coughing and sneezing that a mask will be most effective. Anywhere.. Shops, enclosed spaces...

Wear them on your chin and beat the system....

Good idea. With a side benefit of watching the mask vigilantes froth 😀😀