Is anyone else boycotting Tesco's for giving £80,000 to Mermaids?

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Just that really... I was shocked, especially given all the news coverage there has been about the issues recently. I would have expected them to give it to an uncontroversial charity at the very least - and ideally one that most of their customers would like to support

Just like lots of racists have black friends?

I didn't make a generalisation. Yes there are a group of TRAs who really do appear to despise women, and send them abuse and let off smoke bombs when they try to have meetings to discuss their legal rights. I can evidence all these things.

I make no claim, and didn't say, what proportion of bad apples to good ones I think are in the barrel.

This board (Feminism Chat) has become an echo chamber (I had it removed from my boards I see as it makes me so sad), but now I see that this is AIBU, which is why I'm seeing this thread I guess.
You all gang up there in your ultra strong Feminist gang, and bully and ridicule anyone who doesn't fear transwomen. If you were so concerned about transgenderism/Mermaids, why are you not as concerned about Transmen as well as transwomen?

Except it is what you said.

No it is not.

have any of the people who accused FWR section of transphobia posted any actual evidence of said transphobia?
I'm still waiting..

Whether you literally state that all transwomen are predatory or not, when you insist on using the actions of a tiny minority to exclude the entire group, you ARE inferring the group as a whole are the problem.

I do not agree. Why do transwomen (and yes, I do personally know transwomen and have no issues sharing any spaces with them) want access to female spaces in the first place? Because they don't feel safe in men only spaces. Because of some men are predatory. The same men who can now, thanks to self ID, get access to women's spaces. Therefore some people are trying to make sure vulnerable people are protected from predatory people.

Safeguarding rules around children should apply to straight, gay, queer and trans people equally.

Safeguarding rules should apply to all charities and lobby groups equally, to all health settings, and to all schools and institutions.

And that is because some people ARE a danger to children and to others.

To pretend that groups of people are being unfairly 'tarred' and should be exempt from safeguarding procedures is either ignorant or intentionally dangerous.

I certainly don't hate women, you know, being one.

Did someone say you did? Not seen that.

Well GoatCheeseTart - you're picking on the wrong target then.

Safeguarding rules around children should apply to straight, gay, queer and trans people equally.

Safeguarding rules should apply to all charities and lobby groups equally, to all health settings, and to all schools and institutions.

And that is because some people ARE a danger to children and to others.

To pretend that groups of people are being unfairly 'tarred' and should be exempt from safeguarding procedures is either ignorant or intentionally dangerous.

Very well said.

Yanbu
I already am boycotting Tesco for other reasons though.
They make millions through not paying their staff properly.

I thought 'queer' was considered politically incorrect these days.

Oh it’s hard not to engage isn’t it. There’s just more and more to challenge, and especially when it’s in AIBU I have a strong motivation to do the work on behalf of those who might be reading for the first time. But there are lots of threads on this, and I’ve done my bit for a while, I think.

I’m not sure it’s wilful manipulation, tbh. I think some people just cannot apply logic, nor engage in abstract thinking.

Back to Mermaids. The more people look into them the better. And ‘research’ doesn’t just mean googling them and reading the first hit or having a quick glance at their mission statement or whatever flowery language they use. It means in depth critical analysis looking at evidence from various sources, and thinking about the bigger picture and overarching principles.

@Ninkanink hope you actually made it out

when you insist on using the actions of a tiny minority to exclude the entire group, you ARE inferring the group as a whole are the problem

If I say I don't want unisex changing rooms because it has been clearly shown that women are significantly more at risk of being sexually assaulted (by almost exclusively men), I am therefore inferring ALL men are a problem?

Well that post By me makes No sense (as usual...before someone else gets there)

Ive asked for it to be deleted

This I s a pretty massive generalisation -

Whether you literally state that all transwomen are predatory or not, when you insist on using the actions of a tiny minority to exclude the entire group, you ARE inferring the group as a whole are the problem.

Anyone care to explain why the hell my DD or anyone else's should share an enclosed space with a man just because they identify as a woman? Transmen are not a concern as they are unlikely to pose any threat to her safety whatsoever.

Hahahaha brilliant cross post!

Whether you literally state that all transwomen are predatory or not, when you insist on using the actions of a tiny minority to exclude the entire group, you ARE inferring the group as a whole are the problem

isnt that exactly what safeguarding is though?

I know my DH is lovely and wouldnt hurt a fly but when he wanted to be a cub leader he had to be CRB checked (as it was then) because a very small minority of men have used their positions as cub leaders to abuse children

he dint get all offended by it and say they were accusing him of being a child abuser because he recognised in order to keep children safe, even though the vast vast vast majority of men are kind decent human beings safeguarding is necessary for the ones that aren't

To all those waffling on about it being more supportive to a teen to tell them, yes, you can be a woman, but you must remain dressed like a man - if how people dress doesn't matter, why should it matter if they dress like a woman?

Who has said that? In fact, people who rightly despise Mermaids Charity are saying the very opposite. They are saying, 'yes, dress like a woman/man (whatever that means..), wear makeup and nail polish and heels and anything at all. Be free, experiment, don't put yourself in a box.

Just for gods sake DON'T allow people to coerce you into taking puberty blockers and hormone 'therapy' and DON'T allow them to mutilate your body with surgery. Because, however strongly you feel about it now, you might change your mind and you will have damaged your body for life

That's what people here are saying. Mermaids are saying the opposite - ie you are a woman 'trapped' in a man's body and we will do all we can to help put you in the trans box so you can 'become' a woman. Don;t be afraid, don't talk to your parents if they're negative about your belief, talk to us in 'confidence'.

I thought 'queer' was considered politically incorrect these days.

You're a bit out of the loop, aren't you?

LemonadeandDaisyChains
EllaEllaE & others being supportive of Mermaids

As someone with a close family member who is trans. Thank you.

The same old suspects from the Feminism boards pop up in any thread about trans people & turn it in to a bun fight that makes other posters roll their eyes & hide said thread which might have helped someone.

What is encouraging is that this time I am seeing more people speaking out than I have seen in a long time. I have had to avoid MN for a long time bc of the transphobia & general ignorance on here about trans kids, I only popped in to see what was in the News & saw this.

Right off to Tesco, anyone need anything?

It wasn't a gotcha. It was just a perfectly valid point.
Lots of people being racist would be like "I have black friends!" which isn't any different to you saying "people might know trans people in their friends or family!"
Doesn't mean you're incapable of being transphobic as you have trans mates or family.

Anyone care to explain why the hell my DD or anyone else's should share an enclosed space with a man just because they identify as a woman? Transmen are not a concern as they are unlikely to pose any threat to her safety whatsoever.

This. Waiting for this justification, of why one person's feelings trump another's, since forever.