State school teachers moonlighting as private tutors during their 'working' hours

[UmbrellaHat]

Should be sacked
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/state-school-teachers-moonlighting-private-22303681

Absolutely ridiculous to call this greedy. I don't blame them at all. Why shouldn't they? The government doesn't give a shit about half the time so perhaps they're just earning money they've been owed all along.

Why are Zoom lessons still being held up as some sort of supposed gold standard of distance learning?
I presume some parents view it as a kind of electronic babysitter - the teacher can supervise their child whilst they get on with something else. It's certainly not because it's any better a teaching/learning tool than what my school has been sending out (and for which we've been widely praised).

giraffe
thanks for that fascinating insight into school staffing structure.
I never knew that

Or have the "normal" teachers not asked them why?

My head communicated this perfectly clearly to both teachers and parents, thanks.

@hashtagbollocks

giraffe thanks for that fascinating insight into school staffing structure. I never knew that

And yet you thought it necessary to ask a bloody silly question about it.

@hashtagbollocks

And are there no SLT or headteachers on MN who can answer why they're not doing zoom lessons? Or have the "normal" teachers not asked them why?

Well, school leadership teams aren't the Borg.

Locally, one secondary has had the teachers giving youtube videos for pupils to watch in their own time, and they've now transitioned to providing zoom lessons. Another secondary has been absolutely pants, but given what else I know of the school and their leadership, this was entirely to be expected.

callme
because a hell of a lot of children have had fuck all from their schools and at least with a zoom lesson they are interacting and actively participating in a lesson with their teacher ( and the parent can actually see something tangible)
And piss off with the babysitter comment. yes, maybe the parent wants to get something done, like earn a living.

@ResumetonormalASAP

Sack the small minority that are doing this.

The children have been badly let down during this pandemic by some teachers.

Teachers have been badly let down by the Government. Children have therefore been let down by the Government.

People really think teachers have a lot more autonomy than they actually do.

Well, school leadership teams aren't the Borg
sorry, don't understand this.
So, what have the SLT said when teachers have said I'd like to do online lessons.
When they have said no, what has been their reasoning?

@hashtagbollocks

callme because a hell of a lot of children have had fuck all from their schools and at least with a zoom lesson they are interacting and actively participating in a lesson with their teacher ( and the parent can actually see something tangible) And piss off with the babysitter comment. yes, maybe the parent wants to get something done, like earn a living.

This is why I don't like Zoom lessons, tbh. It means that the child has to use the family computer at an exact time, which may well also clash with the time mum has to use the PC to attend a work meeting so she can pay a thing known as a mortgage.

I didn't say "babysitter." I said "supervise."

at least with a zoom lesson they are interacting and actively participating in a lesson with their teacher
Not necessarily. I'm hearing reports from secondary kids who log on to a lesson and then continue with their X-box or texting their mates, thinking it's out of sight of the teacher. And even those who don't aren't necessarily actively participating in the lesson. They can sit there passively just as they might do in school.

and the parent can actually see something tangible
It's not about what the parent can see. Teachers are not answerable to the parent.

And I can't answer for what some schools are "not" doing. All I know is what mine is, and I'm frankly sick of seeing the sweeping generalisations and lazy stereotyping on here of the entire profession.

@hashtagbollocks

Well, school leadership teams aren't the Borg sorry, don't understand this. So, what have the SLT said when teachers have said I'd like to do online lessons. When they have said no, what has been their reasoning?

Probably the same as has been repeated and explained in the other seemingly endless threads asking this same question.

For those asking about the available time - well once they’d uploaded the twinkle worksheets and printed twinkle answers for the week and done one 15 minute form time, the teachers at my boys’ school would certainly have had time. No marking, no phone calls, load up the twinkle worksheets - job done. Then 30 hrs or so of contracted time available to tutor.

My cousin and brother in law who are both teachers have amazing tans and fantastic gardens - the former spends an hour a week calling her students and then that’s it (her head teacher has mandated no set work for her class), the latter does a bit of worksheet uploading but no marking. They’re loving it.

Hats off to all the teachers who are doing an amazing job, I hope you get the recognition you deserve and I wish you were at my DC school!

@hashtagbollocks

Well, school leadership teams aren't the Borg sorry, don't understand this. So, what have the SLT said when teachers have said I'd like to do online lessons. When they have said no, what has been their reasoning?

Every single school in the country has a different headteacher. Mindblowing, I know.

There is not one 'SLT' and there is no one single thing that they will have said to staff. They do not all speak with one voice and they will all have had different policies for their own school.

So, what have the SLT said when teachers have said I'd like to do online lessons.
Well, my colleagues and I haven't said we'd like to do them. Why would we, when by many accounts they're no better (and in some cases actively worse) than what we're already providing.
And many of our parents have expressed gratitude that we're "not" doing Zoom/Teams.

As long as the teachers are doing work needed for their school, I see no reason why they can't do extra work during their free time. If they are working at home, working hours must be quite flexible. So it's not like they need to be working during certain times.
My dc's school's teachers are great. I really don't care if they are doing private tutoring in their own time.

I cant even begin to get worked up about this. Ds tutor is a ft teacher. Usually she tutors him in early evenings. During lockdown she has been tutoring him during the day as that works better for all of us. We have all been accommodating and we have moved slots to fit with her regular teaching responsibilities, which she has ALWAYS prioritised.

If you are going to get worked up about teachers doing other things during official work day during lockdown then I look forward to seeing you get worked up about teachers working outside of their contracted hours in a normal world. Ditto every time a teacher spends their own money to buy supplies for their classroom.

Grow up. These are adults in professional roles. In 99% of cases they are more than capable of adjusting and planning their schedules like any other professional.

@UmbrellaHat

You stated ‘Employers can expect their employees not to moonlight during working hours. I get if those teachers have been told not to Zoom they could spend their time working on resources or other tasks relating to their job or even (radical) helping out with shopping or community work for the vulnerable.’

So basically it’s not ok to private tutor or earn more money during working hours, but it’s ok to volunteer to help the community then? Doesn’t make sense, you original post reads to me as how dare they moonlight when they should be working. How can they be working if volunteering?

Another silly comment from you, give it a rest

My cousin and brother in law who are both teachers have amazing tans and fantastic gardens - the former spends an hour a week calling her students and then that’s it (her head teacher has mandated no set work for her class), the latter does a bit of worksheet uploading but no marking. They’re loving it.
So, a bit like all those on Furlough, which people don't appear to have a problem with. If they're even doing 20% of their usual workload, then they're kind of on a par.

And I can't answer for what some schools are "not" doing. All I know is what mine is, and I'm frankly sick of seeing the sweeping generalisations and lazy stereotyping on here of the entire profession.

And always by the same people. Bridge dwellers, perhaps.

I am very thankful that neither my school nor my DCs school wanted zoom lessons. DH is also a teacher and there is no way we could all four have been on Zoom at the same time. We pay extra for fast broadband and it still drops out if more than one person is using the WiFi. Also, most of my own pupils didn't manage to watch the video lessons or respond to my emails so I can just imagine the take-up on Zoom lessons when many of them can only access the internet on their parents' phones.

They should absolutely be sacked. Unless they have permission to undertake a second job and their own students are provided with sufficient, quality work. Not the token worksheets and lazy links.

I hope the teachers in dd's school are getting more than £95 p/h if they are tutoring on the side. They bloody well deserve it IMO. It should be more.

*My cousin and brother in law who are both teachers have amazing tans and fantastic gardens - the former spends an hour a week calling her students and then that’s it (her head teacher has mandated no set work for her class), the latter does a bit of worksheet uploading but no marking. They’re loving it.
So, a bit like all those on Furlough, which people don't appear to have a problem with. If they're even doing 20% of their usual workload, then they're kind of on a par8

well not really, teachers are on full pay, not furloughed......