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State school teachers moonlighting as private tutors during their 'working' hours

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UmbrellaHat · 05/07/2020 13:21

Should be sacked
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/state-school-teachers-moonlighting-private-22303681

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PrivateD00r · 07/07/2020 14:50

It is an absolutely ridiculous thread. Please teachers, ignore.

JimmyGrimble · 07/07/2020 14:55

Just read the whole thread and ... naaah. Can’t be arsed. OP is a goady twat and echt didn’t call caramel a chimp. Also - where do I sign up? £95 an hour would suit me just fine.

PotholeParadise · 07/07/2020 14:59

Can someone explain to me when it became okay to falsify quotes?

I have taken screenshots of what Echt actually said.

Kind regards,

Pothole, who is not a teacher but who strives to have some integrity.

darkcaramel · 07/07/2020 15:08

So have I, pothole

She claimed my intelligence was sub par to a chimp.

Maybe that’s okay to you.

To me it is very, very much not okay. Not even remotely.

darkcaramel · 07/07/2020 15:10

I could teach a chimp to be more rational

Not acceptable.

PotholeParadise · 07/07/2020 15:13

@darkcaramel

So have I, pothole

She claimed my intelligence was sub par to a chimp.

Maybe that’s okay to you.

To me it is very, very much not okay. Not even remotely.

You've been putting quotation marks around variants of that, certainly. Doesn't make it true.

Based on your last few posts, I think she could also teach my MIL's cat to be more rational, too.

Also maybe a crow, as they're noted for being able to use tools.

JimmyGrimble · 07/07/2020 15:21

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PurpleCrowbarWhereIsLangCleg · 07/07/2020 15:22

Ok, so I work in a school (private, overseas) that does online Zoom lessons - private server etc to avoid the trolling, strict safeguarding protocols etc. We don't have a 'one computer per family & mum needs it to WFH' situation, either - our kids all have a laptop & a smartphone as a minimum. Because they come from wealthy families.

So none of the perfectly valid reasons for not teaching 'live', which limit its use in state schools in the U.K., apply here.

Nonetheless, after the first fortnight of lockdown shortly before Easter, SLT realised that teaching a FT timetable online was not conducive to staff wellbeing, to put it mildly. More importantly, tbh as far as SLT were concerned, the parents were kicking off! Too much screen time, impossible to supervise whilst working themselves, kids with disrupted sleep patterns, everyone stressed out over Coronavirus, etc etc.

So we went with a new timetable. 4 lessons per day not 6, so subjects like mine that usually get 4 periods a week were down to 2 or maybe 3.

The expectation was that up to 50% of the teaching was live via Zoom, so for example you could do a 20 minute discussion, set work, & unmute Zoom again for a 20 minute plenary. You were also expected to monitor Zoom so struggling kids could get help via chat.

The other lesson you set work for. This might include making a video talking through a PowerPoint resource for kids to watch in their own time. Basically, the idea was that everyone could manage to be online for a couple of hours a day at set times, but the rest was independent.

So my working day might look like this: teach a class, 2 hours with nothing I needed to be doing live, teach another class, spend the evening recording stuff for other classes/marking work online. Often till the wee hours.

I was doing everything the SLT asked of me, & everything the parents asked of them. So if I'd wanted to tutor in the 2 hours in the middle - why not?

As it happened, NO chance! 3dc of my own to keep on top of. It was murder.

But I had colleagues who did - not our students, obviously - & it was absolutely approved by the school. SLT were appreciative of the fact that we were delivering high quality education & the parents were all happy.

It was also understood that many of us had lost out on work examining (I'm down £3k this year).

Anyway - long post! But the point is: if a teacher is 'moonlighting' in breach of their school's policy, or to the detriment of doing their job to the SLT's satisfaction, then obviously they should be disciplined.

If they are discharging their responsibilities whilst juggling their hours, & this is not a breach of their T&Cs, then it's nobody else's business.

echt · 07/07/2020 15:23

But where is echt actually saying YOU are or comparing YOU to that chimp? She isn’t. Frankly love, you’re rather proving her point

It's the lack of critical thinking skills.

I blame the teachers.

darkcaramel · 07/07/2020 15:24

Ah, so we are making out it was a mere comparison to any animal, are we?

Incidentally, I do think that was its intention. It doesn’t mean it’s acceptable because of it.

It’s dehumanising. It’s not okay or acceptable or me being ridiculously sensitive because the poster didn't mean it like that - I’m quite sure she didn’t, but given the history of the word, given that football fans used to make gorilla noises at black football players, given that Michelle Obama and serena Williams have both been compared to apes and monkeys, it really isn’t as ridiculous as some of you are claiming that I’ve pulled someone up for it and pointed out that it’s out of order..

I really can’t believe I’m having to explain why it’s racist and bigoted and wrong, in July 2020.

JimmyGrimble · 07/07/2020 15:29

For the love of god. You are choosing to take it that way caramel
We had a phse thing in school a few years ago about ‘taming your inner chimp’. Was that racist too? You are constructing a straw man argument and yet you complain that others are too easily offended. Barking.

darkcaramel · 07/07/2020 15:32

No jimmy, I have repeatedly said that I don’t think that was how it was intended.

THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT ACCEPTABLE. I’m sorry for the capitals but this is awful.

I have had a KNOWN term - a term that for DECADES has been used in a derogatory fashion towards people who are black - used to put me down.

The fact the poster did not MEAN it in a particular way does not change the fact that it IS. It’s not as if it’s an obscure term where people may be forgiven for not knowing.

Comparing people to chimps is RACIST.

darkcaramel · 07/07/2020 15:33

And to be honest if my child came home with something about taming his inner chimp I would be somewhat Hmm yes.

The fact that no offence was meant (though that wasn’t the case here, it was intended as an insult, just not a racial insult) is neither here nor there. It’s not acceptable, I’m sorry.

PotholeParadise · 07/07/2020 15:34

@darkcaramel

Ah, so we are making out it was a mere comparison to any animal, are we?

Incidentally, I do think that was its intention. It doesn’t mean it’s acceptable because of it.

It’s dehumanising. It’s not okay or acceptable or me being ridiculously sensitive because the poster didn't mean it like that - I’m quite sure she didn’t, but given the history of the word, given that football fans used to make gorilla noises at black football players, given that Michelle Obama and serena Williams have both been compared to apes and monkeys, it really isn’t as ridiculous as some of you are claiming that I’ve pulled someone up for it and pointed out that it’s out of order..

I really can’t believe I’m having to explain why it’s racist and bigoted and wrong, in July 2020.

So you don't think it was intended as a racial comparison. She doesn't think it was a racial comparison.

So it's not racist then.

You know what all the examples you're invoking have in common- they are jibes at black men and women's appearance. This is a text based forum. We don't have avatars, we have little idea what anyone looks like. It was factually not a jibe at your visual appearance.

Context matters.

And no, it's not like any other animal, as chimpanzees are some of the most intelligent non-human species on the planet. You see up there when I said my MIL's cat would be an easier student? You know what that was? That was me insulting your behaviour more than Echt had.

SmileEachDay · 07/07/2020 15:38

She claimed my intelligence was sub par to a chimp

No - she said it would be easier to teach a chimp.

That has nothing to do with intelligence- if I call my DS a “little monkey” I’m not saying he’s stupid, I’m saying he’s not listening and is being deliberately difficult

JimmyGrimble · 07/07/2020 15:43

I have never heard of people of colour being compared to chimps. Never.

darkcaramel · 07/07/2020 15:44

Oh pothole, please tell me you don’t believe that because someone didn’t mean to be racist, something therefore isn’t?

There are certain words we just do not use, I’m not going to list what they are because they are so unacceptable. N word, P word, you get my drift I am sure. We just don’t use them because in any context they are unacceptable.

Obviously the word ‘chimp’ in and of itself doesn’t fall into that category because otherwise zoo keepers and the like would have a hard job! What I am objecting to here is the post compared my intelligence to a chimps - I could teach a chimp to be more rational.

Not a cat or crow, a chimp.

We don’t compare people to cats or crows as a put-down, as a rule. People ARE compared to chimps, gorillas and apes, because that stemmed from slavery and well, black people are from Africa and so are apes so ...

It’s a way of saying you are sub-par; you are less than human; you are inferior to me.

That is why it is so unacceptable. I would never compare someone to any type of ape and I am really shocked at how many seem to think this is in any way acceptable, even claiming that I am the one with the problem.

Don’t use insults seeped in racism to put people down. That’s not difficult to do. It’s the same with words like mng, or re*rd - people occasionally use them without realising the history. Doesn’t make it acceptable.

noblegiraffe · 07/07/2020 15:46

Comparing people to chimps is RACIST.

Someone tell Desmond Morris? The Naked Ape is now to be burned?

Misunderstanding the ‘inner chimp’ too. Humans are primates.

Time to step away from the thread, dark, if it’s making you upset.

darkcaramel · 07/07/2020 15:46

Just because you haven’t heard of it jimmy doesn’t mean it has never happened.

smile what you say to your own children and what you say to people in other contexts are two different things. There have actually been highly publicised and divisive cases about addressing children as “monkeys” which I won’t go into here, suffice to say it isn’t a harmless meaningless phrase in its wider context, although it is in your family of course.

PotholeParadise · 07/07/2020 15:47

@JimmyGrimble

I have never heard of people of colour being compared to chimps. Never.
Unfortunately, it does happen. A lot. I first ran into as a football supporter. Big problem in football.

(I think this is the first time I have ever been on a thread on MN defending a primate reference. Normally I'm explaining over and over the long history of offensive caricaturing and deliberate attempts to liken black people to one or other species of ape. But this is simply not an example of it.)

JimmyGrimble · 07/07/2020 15:47

Gosh. So we can’t talk about chimps even when we’re clearly talking about chimps? Thanks for the heads up.

darkcaramel · 07/07/2020 15:48

I’m not stepping away from calling out derogatory language giraffe

Yes, we are primates, but only some of us had monkey noises made on the football field, for example (one amongst many.)

You know this.

darkcaramel · 07/07/2020 15:48

I think you’ll find I said literally, absolutely, the exact opposite of that, jimmy.

darkcaramel · 07/07/2020 15:49

Thank you for at least acknowledging that pothole

JimmyGrimble · 07/07/2020 15:50

pothole yes I know it happens and has happened historically. FWIW I have been a season ticket holder for 30 years and never seen or heard it first hand. My point was with the chimp comparison in particular. Never ever seen or heard of this.

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