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To report this person to their employer for hate speech?

573 replies

NickMyLipple · 03/07/2020 20:39

I've attached a screenshot - I am not friends with this person. She does however display her work on social media and she is in her uniform with her lanyard on display in her profile picture and in other photos which are accessible to the public.

It's NHS Values Week and I feel very strongly that if you're going to publically display your workplace you need to be responsible in not making such racist and hateful comments.

I called her out on it and the post has now been deleted.

AIBU to call the HR department and complain, or should I leave it and hope that she thinks carefully before she posts in future?

To report this person to their employer for hate speech?
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netflixismysidehustle · 03/07/2020 22:39

Having a comment deleted is not a punishment.

While I am anti the sort of hysterical reporting that we saw during lockdown this is different. BAME people encounter this sort of person daily. If she has no qualms about saying that in public, she clearly thinks worse privately. You can't change racists but she shouldn't be in a professional where real life human beings encounter her. Do you really think she's going to be treating BAME people to the best of her ability when she says this publicly?

The amount of people who think her job outweighs the dignity of hundreds (thousands?) of BAME people that she treats professionally is shocking. It seems like one person but if the police, teachers and other public sector people that they encounter are like this too then that's an awful lot of hate that has to be endured. This is why there's protests for blm- this attitude has been going on for 100s of years now and shouldn't still be going on.

If she wasn't working with the public I wouldn't report but she should be reported and the public should be protected imo. You're allowed to think what you like but if you post it publicly then you should be able to say why to your employer.

CluelessBaker · 03/07/2020 22:39

Doing so will definitely imporve the changes of vulnerable minorities- nothing bad ever came from informing on each other.

What a poisonous way to characterise standing up against racists.

You’re right, we should show solidarity with them by turning a blind eye and not holding them accountable. That will definitely make them change their behaviour.

donquixotedelamancha · 03/07/2020 22:40

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Gobb · 03/07/2020 22:40

I think the problem is that people on this thread really see racism as just an issue of manners, and that if people could only just be a bit more polite, the problem would go away. But that's a sign of white privilege right there.

donquixotedelamancha · 03/07/2020 22:43

What a poisonous way to characterise standing up against racists.

OP did stand up to the racist (well done OP). I am saying that is not enough and she needs to find this woman and report her to her employer.

What's wrong with that?

donquixotedelamancha · 03/07/2020 22:44

You’re right, we should show solidarity with them by turning a blind eye and not holding them accountable. That will definitely make them change their behaviour.

Are you confusing me with someone else? Do you think I said that?

Evelefteden · 03/07/2020 22:51

@Gobb

I think the problem is that people on this thread really see racism as just an issue of manners, and that if people could only just be a bit more polite, the problem would go away. But that's a sign of white privilege right there.
No I don’t see it as an issue of manners. Racism is abhorrent. I would and do tackle it head on. OP did already do this.

But to then start going after jobs with the possibility of homes being lost and children suffering is too much and is going in to totalitarianism. I’m seeing this all over Twitter at the moment with other issues.

Evelefteden · 03/07/2020 22:57

Still, doesn't change anything: thoughts and actions are exactly the same thing and the government should regulate both

Jesus what am I reading here?

The government need to regulate thoughts Wtf?

Be careful what you wish for..

EnoughAlready2020 · 03/07/2020 22:57

@evelefteden surely that is her risk and consequence of being racist in a public forum?

donquixotedelamancha · 03/07/2020 22:59

Jesus what am I reading here? The government need to regulate thoughts Wtf? Be careful what you wish for..

If you go into settings you can select to have sarcastic posts highlighted for you. Almost every post I write will turn green.

KitKat2020 · 03/07/2020 22:59

@Evelefteden

Certain professions have a code of conduct that applies to behaviour outside of the work place.

Take it up with the regulatory bodies.

Gobb · 03/07/2020 23:03

Evekefteden actually, I meant it the other way, people going after her job on the reasoning that if people are too scared to make racist comments on social media, then racism will be solved. As if racism were just a matter of politeness.

netflixismysidehustle · 03/07/2020 23:03

The female workers and the factory lenders also have families who depend on income. While the owners are despicably risking the lives of women who are much higher risk of COVID, some(?) most(?) are knowingly risking their lives to feed their families.

Ironically would have been in the right if she'd reported this article to the police (I assume the Mail shared their information) or do the don't report brigade think that's not ok too and that you should never report. Considering that this is the site where "log it with the police" is very popular advice, I'm surprised that people can dismiss racism so readily

Evelefteden · 03/07/2020 23:07

[quote EnoughAlready2020]@evelefteden surely that is her risk and consequence of being racist in a public forum? [/quote]
What about views on transgender rights?
What about views on abortion?
What about views on homosexuality?
What about views on religion?
What about views on BLM?
What about views on marijuana legalisation?
What about views on vaccinations?

Why do you get to choose who can work or not? Why do you get to control what people think?

I’m sure every person on this thread has at some point has had a thought that was unpalatable to every one else, so should every one lose there jobs?

You can not control what people think or should you wish to do so.

pingusigloo · 03/07/2020 23:07

It's bizarre that so many people want a massive racist employee by the nhs. I'm of an ethnicity that she would like to kick out and I certainly wouldn't want to be cared for by her.

I'd report her.

pingusigloo · 03/07/2020 23:07

It's bizarre that so many people want a massive racist employee by the nhs. I'm of an ethnicity that she would like to kick out and I certainly wouldn't want to be cared for by her.

I'd report her.

donquixotedelamancha · 03/07/2020 23:12

You can not control what people think or should you wish to do so.

Ugh. Now transphobia as well.

JanewaysBun · 03/07/2020 23:14

It would be a twat who reports her.
This lady is a racist twat. However destroying her life is vindictive.

I am extremely uncomfortable with this whole cancel culture/destroy another's life. She would be much better to be educated which isn't going to happen if she and her family are out on the streets

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 03/07/2020 23:21

@YgritteSnow

No one thinks racism is "fine" but I have just never been convinced that threatening and terrorising people with job and reputation loss and their entire life imploding is the best way to educate them and force them to change their opinions. You just drive it underground, you don't change it.
donquixote, can I nominate you to lead the next struggle session at the village green?
Evelefteden · 03/07/2020 23:23

@donquixotedelamancha

You can not control what people think or should you wish to do so.

Ugh. Now transphobia as well.

Please do show me one single post where I have been transphobic.
Thisismytimetoshine · 03/07/2020 23:24

@JanewaysBun

It would be a twat who reports her. This lady is a racist twat. However destroying her life is vindictive.

I am extremely uncomfortable with this whole cancel culture/destroy another's life. She would be much better to be educated which isn't going to happen if she and her family are out on the streets

Out on the streets??
StillCoughingandLaughing · 03/07/2020 23:39

Something isn’t quite adding up here. Several people - a depressing number - have suggested that what this woman said isn’t that bad and it would be a disgrace if she lost her job over it. Yet not one of these people seems to think that, if reported, the woman in question would keep her job. They have unanimously concluded that report = sacking - no discussion, no warning, nothing. If this ‘poor woman’ is just expressing an innocent opinion, why are you all so utterly convinced one screenshot will guarantee she gets the bullet?

She was prepared to voice this opinion in public. She was prepared to do so knowing that anyone seeing it could also see where she worked. Now she’s suddenly too much of a delicate little flower to defend that opinion? I just don’t buy it.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 03/07/2020 23:56

How have we got onto transohibia.Confused

FleetsumNJetsum · 04/07/2020 00:01

Several people-a depressing number-have suggested that what this woman said isn’t that bad

I am struggling to find those comments. Can you point them out to me?

They have unanimously concluded that report = sacking - no discussion, no warning, nothing. If this ‘poor woman’ is just expressing an innocent opinion, why are you all so utterly convinced one screenshot will guarantee she gets the bullet?

Because that seems to be the world we live in now. Sucks to be us.

StillCoughingandLaughing · 04/07/2020 00:17

I am struggling to find those comments. Can you point them out to me?

Really? You haven’t seen post after post saying we’re all entitled to our opinions, and how the country is turning into communist East Germany/Stalinist Russia/other regime we don’t really know much about but that sounds like a bit of a pisser because you can’t spout any old racist drivel you fancy on Facebook? The people trying to suggest the comments weren’t actually racist at all, but a valid criticism of the factory owners that related in no way to their ethnic origin? The people saying the OP is far worse than the racist for doing something as heinous as reporting voluntarily-made comments?

You missed all that?