To report this person to their employer for hate speech?

[NickMyLipple]

I've attached a screenshot - I am not friends with this person. She does however display her work on social media and she is in her uniform with her lanyard on display in her profile picture and in other photos which are accessible to the public.

It's NHS Values Week and I feel very strongly that if you're going to publically display your workplace you need to be responsible in not making such racist and hateful comments.

I called her out on it and the post has now been deleted.

AIBU to call the HR department and complain, or should I leave it and hope that she thinks carefully before she posts in future?

I’m an ex NHS health professional and have worked with people with these kind of views. Believe me, if an individual holds this type of attitude they will be treating the BAME community in the same way in their every day work. It may be subtle, it may going under the radar , but it happens. I would report them to their employer. We have to stand up to these hateful views.

So if it was a woman factory owner and a man posted "ffs she wants sending back to the kitchen, this is why we're in such a mess" this would be fine, because it's just an opinion and would have been ok 60 years ago. Or is it ok because it's racism and doesn't affect most of us?

Going straight to kick them out of the country when someone of colour doesn't behave exactly how you want is a particularly nasty kind of racism.

This alleged "racist" is as entitled to air her views as the OP who assumes the moral high ground by lecturing us all and holding us to a standard of "racism" that did not really enter the public consciousness until about 40 years ago.

40 years ago there weren't car seats for babies and children in cars - would you say it's fine for grandparents not to use them now?

Marital rape, child abuse, stalking and homophobia was more acceptable. Is it ok to hold those views now?

People who hold those views should be too embarrassed about posting them publicly- especially in uniform. It is not acceptable for the targets of these views to have to tolerate this.

People should be able to trust that the person treating them will do their best to help them and not worry that their skin colour is going to mean substandard care.

If you want a career where you can openly be racist then you need to be in a job where you don't deal with the public. Everybody needs to call out racism and these bad apples put the reputations of whole organizations to shame.

Agree with the sentiment but please don't use the word ’moronic’

Moron was an incredibly popular insult 40 years ago along with quite a few others in the same vein. So you're agreeing with the poster who wants to return to the good old days when people could be overtly racist with impunity but you don't want the bit where they were also overtly disablist? Make your mind up.

Peoples' views are not relevant to their jobs but anyone who spouts nonsense on social media is an idiot.

A persons thoughts influence their actions. I cannot imagine this person gives the same level of care to people she so dislikes that she does to her other patients

I hope David Starkey doesn't need NHS care anytime soon, then. A lot of medical (and admin) NHS staff are from non-white backgrounds.

would he treat a white teenage girl like that?

There are videos of police in America using excessive force against white teenage girls - including pinning them on the floor - so that's a stupid thing to say

Sorry, @IggysPop, I misread the post you were replying to. Ignore my last comment.

I hope David Starkey doesn't need NHS care anytime soon, then. A lot of medical (and admin) NHS staff are from non-white backgrounds.

That's an awful thing to say. While what he said is totally disgusting, how dare you say that anyone of a 'non-white' background would be less than professional with his care if he needed it 😠

@AlicjaCross that’s not what the poster meant. I don’t know if you’re deliberately misinterpreting this or if you’re just bad at reading comprehension.

@netflixismysidehustle

Having a comment deleted is not a punishment.

While I am anti the sort of hysterical reporting that we saw during lockdown this is different. BAME people encounter this sort of person daily. If she has no qualms about saying that in public, she clearly thinks worse privately. You can't change racists but she shouldn't be in a professional where real life human beings encounter her. Do you really think she's going to be treating BAME people to the best of her ability when she says this publicly?

The amount of people who think her job outweighs the dignity of hundreds (thousands?) of BAME people that she treats professionally is shocking. It seems like one person but if the police, teachers and other public sector people that they encounter are like this too then that's an awful lot of hate that has to be endured. This is why there's protests for blm- this attitude has been going on for 100s of years now and shouldn't still be going on.

If she wasn't working with the public I wouldn't report but she should be reported and the public should be protected imo. You're allowed to think what you like but if you post it publicly then you should be able to say why to your employer.

I could not agree more.

Yabu she may have kids relying on that income. Why should they suffer?

Her kids, if they exist, are HER responsibility. As is her behaviour on social media. Why are so many people desperate to absolve this woman of any responsibility for her own behaviour and her own life??

@Willyoujustbequiet

Yabu she may have kids relying on that income. Why should they suffer?

For having the wrong mother.

Think some have missed my point! She has already confronted her and taken the offensive racist comment off her sm. however , being the fickle humans that we are, if you didn’t like the person you are more likely to land them in it than if you didn’t dislike them. I’m not saying you agree with the post just bc you like the person ( and not saying you would still like them afterwards after seeing the post) but it is a trait that some possess....if you really disliked them you wouldn’t hesitate to report them no matter what the content

Yabu she may have kids relying on that income. Why should they suffer?

Would you say that if she lost her job for some other action? Say for theft from work, assaulting a coworker, being drunk on duty? Or what if she was convicted of a criminal offence outside of work and lost her job as a consequence of being in jail? No, you wouldn't. So you are yet another person excusing her because you either don't think racism is that big deal or you are racist yourself, and there is such a fine dividing line between the two that it doesn't make much difference.

There are videos of police in America using excessive force against white teenage girls - including pinning them on the floor - so that's a stupid thing to say

Where they killed?

Yabu she may have kids relying on that income. Why should they suffer?

Why should the kids of BAME people who die prematurely because of institutional racism in healthcare suffer instead?

If we stopped holding people accountable for their actions the moment they have kids in case their kids suffer as a result, the world would fall apart.

The world is full of racists. There are some who will translate that to violence. There are some who will let bias affect their actions. There are some who will let it impact their speech. Their are some who will fight against that bias inside of them, but might make a mistake sometime.

I am not excusing racism. It is awful and we need to work towards a world where it no longer exists.

With social media, employers will fire someone just for bringing attention to the company, it doesn’t matter what they did, the company must fire the employee to stop the social media onslaught.

But if every racist must be rooted out and reported to their employer, then you are going to have a very large number of unemployed racists. That will not only fuel racist thoughts, it risks creating a violent revolution. Economic security provides social stability.

A situation like this came up recently with a company I have a professional relationship with. An employee posted racist material on social media, their employer was also listed on his social media. Hundreds of people contacted the employer about it, the person lost their job.

These views are completely unacceptable, bring them to the employer's attention. They should take action or they are complicit too.

Ok, let's say this as it is. What we have here is somebody who says in a public forum that based on the look of the ethnic heritage of a person they are not British. To resolve a possible breach of legislation the poster states publically that they should be subject to repartiation to an unspecified Country which must be other than Britain because they look Asian. The poster then states that the issues that Britain faces are because of Asian looking people and excludes Asian people from any status in what she calls 'our' Country. Who is included in 'our' is not clear. But hopefully I'm not in her collective.
Now people of Asian heritage have to go and receive a service from this person when they are vulnerable and sick. So you are vulnerable and sick and the person providing the service to you send your skin colour and believes you are the reason for all the problems in the Country, you have no right to the treatment and should be sent back to somewhere that is not here. Not only do they believe that they are happy to tell everyone publically.

See why her employer might have an issue and why this is not a freedom of speech issue. Thanks.

You have no context/background on this person. Yet you want to potentially destroy this strangers life and that of her family. I can see why you feel so morally superior

100% @ClareBlue

@Lifeisgenerallyfun - really??? Have you read the whole thread?

@lifeisgenerallyfun do you think the same could be same for the guy this racist was talking about?

Ok, let's say this as it is. What we have here is somebody who says in a public forum that based on the look of the ethnic heritage of a person they are not British.

I obviously don't condone the racist post on social media but the factory manager in the photograph above (op's post) is quoted in the article;

"Mr Ali said: ‘Our workers are predominantly South Asian, and they know the risks they are taking because they are most at risk of catching coronavirus. But what can they do? They are not rich people and need this money to survive.’

Well we have no context about the person who owns the clothing factory either so can’t pass comment on him.

We don’t know what the person who made this comment has gone through - maybe they have witnessed hundreds dying from people flouting lock down rules.

Whilst it is inappropriate to say chuck people out the country who might well be domiciled here, maybe this person who works for the NHS has become so angry with unnecessary deaths they are venting using inappropriate language. Maybe we should cut people who have been under so much pressure for months at least a little slack. Often people who are under a lot of stress inappropriately lash out online They obviousrealise this was inappropriate After being called out and have removed the post. It should be left at that.