to hate what Brexiters have done

[mrsmootoo]

I know this has been done before, but knowing that we are now likely on course for a No Deal Brexit in the midst of a pandemic I am so angry and upset about what Brexiters voted for. I'll forgive any who were conned and now think better of it, but I cannot get over the loss of Freedom of Movement to live and work in the EU - not so much for me, but for my children - and the way the UK is sliding in international standing economically and in attracting doctors, nurses, scientists etc. (I know from before that Leavers don't care what I think, but just had to post).

I think Brexitiers on here have made it perfectly clear they don't give a fuck about me and my families loss of for example FOM or Eurasmus so why should i care less about the negatives of Brexit?

As for their kids, they should have thought about that, after all, as they aren't stupid, they'd have considered their children? i considered mine and also theirs (in 2016) and voted to remain.

Covid infection doesn't kill off the middle classes as it does the poor.

...and no, never used #bekind, don't do twitter either, do you? your posts haven't exactly been kind to remainers and what they (and the country) have lost.

kendodd so over the years you have voted for all the racist political parties?
wow.
so green, labour, conservative, BNP, brexit party, uk independence party?
That's quite a range!!

Well, do you care about what happened in Greece, jas?

Because totally honestly I think you are right. I seriously doubt anyone was thinking of your children and Erasmus when they voted, except you and people in equivalent situations. Does that really surprise you?

The pandemic is a gift for the Brexiteers. They now have something else to blame for the shit show that will ensue.

Right, I'm off
Posts like jasjas just prove the point that remainers get nastier and more bitter.
No, i didn't think of your children, why on earth would I?
I thought of myself, my children and my immediate community and I am happy with that.
If people are honest ,those are the priorities for everybody.
The difference is I'm not hoping your children suffer whilst you seem to want leavers' children to suffer ( nice)
and no, I have never been on twitter

@hashtagbollocks

girlsblouse I'm quite enjoying it too! Really amusing how some people are still frothing at the mouth about it. You would have thought after all this time and given the current economic disaster that they will have had the time and resources to figure out why over half the population wanted to leave. Apparently not. maybe we need another few months severe lockdown to free up some time for them to do some reading up

It was not over half the population who voted Leave. Yes Leave won a majority, but Brexiters talk about the 17m as though that was the margin. Even Farage said a 52:48 result the other way would be unfinished business. Latest polls show a majority (of those polled) preferring Remain: www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-news-latest-britain-against-leaving-eu-as-poll-of-polls-says-most-now-want-to-stay-a4257476.html

I think if it was true that remain actually had the majority the election result would have been very different.

kendodd

EU-Turkey statement, 18 March 2016 -

"8)The EU and Turkey reconfirmed their commitment to re-energise the accession process as set out in their joint statement of 29 November 2015.They welcomed the opening of Chapter 17 on 14 December 2015 and decided, as a next step, to open Chapter 33 during the Netherlands presidency.They welcomed that the Commission will put forward a proposal to this effect in April. Preparatory work for the opening of other Chapters will continue at an accelerated pace without prejudice to Member States' positions in accordance with the existing rules."

www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-
releases/2016/03/18/eu-turkey-statement/

30 June 2016 -
"EU opens new phase in Turkey membership bid talks"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36672242

@InOutofmymind

UK isn't over populated but it is underfunded for the current population level. A collapsed economy, due to CV and helped along by brexit won't level up on the issues you raised.

and yes, most people are thick, look at how they take no notice of CV restrictions? yet have a vote.

What are you smoking? Of course the UK is overpopulated. England has the highest population density of any of the major countries in Europe. It's environmentally unsustainable. The sustainable population for our small island is 40 million.

What do you mean the UK is underfunded? Do you think that there is some branch of the UN doling out subsidies to major economies and we are missing out? You cannot fund a country (aid notwithstanding), it has a finite amount of resources, including money.

Brexit and the election of BJ, forced me to switch off my social conscience.

I sympathise.

No, i didn't think of your children, why on earth would I?
I thought of myself, my children and my immediate community and I am happy with that.

Your prerogative, of course - but these two attitudes boil down to the same thing, don’t they? Except that one was always myopic and selfish and the other is now turning a blind eye. I don’t think you’ve got the moral high ground here hashtag

I'm not annoyed with people who exercised their democratic right to vote whichever way they wanted. I'm annoyed with a succession of governments, both Labour and Tory, whose policies have left people so exacerbated with how things are in this country that they felt that the only way they could improve their situations was to vote for a complete change of the status quo aka Brexit.

And no, I didn't vote for Brexit.

You're absolutely right jasjas I don't. I voted Leave because I believed that it would ultimately be better for the whole country, not just one family, and I still believe that.

I don't understand this hysteria about FOM - people can still live and work in other countries, albeit it may take a little more effort applying for visas etc. The UK is still European, no-one is taking that away.

I lost my job due to Covid - who should I hate?

If you can't see the difference between Covid and Brexit then there really is no hope for you.

37% of the population eligible to vote put their cross next to leave in the referendum. So not the majority of the population at all, quite the reverse.

I don't understand this hysteria about FOM - people wealthy people can still live and work in other countries and Brits will be at the bottom of the list, albeit it may take a little more effort applying for visas etc.
Fixed it for you.

Then the election result would have reflected that also

"Jo Swinson apologised to the Liberal Democrats for a dismal election result in which she lost her seat and the party slipped to 11 MPs, but said she did not regret fighting on a defiantly pro-remain platform."

@InOutofmymind

Immigration isn't a Ponzi scheme, thats ridiculous.

Our elderly need looking after, our crops need picking and our food needs processing!
What do you propose we do once EU migration is halted?

The UK never applied the EU rules on non productive migrants and with a non contributory benefits system, we allowed a free for all.
We don't have an ID system, so we have no clue who is here, what they do, what they claim or where they work.

Ponzi Scheme Noun a form of fraud in which belief in the success of a non-existent enterprise is fostered by the payment of quick returns to the first investors from money invested by later investors.

So sustaining an ageing population by importing large numbers of young workers from elsewhere, who will inevitably get old themselves and you then have to import even more young workers to take care of the even bigger ageing population does fit that definition rather well.

Migration is one of the benefits of a modern society but it is only sustainable if the numbers leaving are roughly similar to the ones arriving. Otherwise it really distorts both economies. Availability of unskilled labour has resulted in a productivity crisis in the British economy. Without the easy option of exploiting migrants, employers invest in technology to automate functions, resulting in productivity growth, higher wages, and better living standards all round.

By the way, this obsession with free movement is a peculiarly middle class one. Free movement didn't exist for a large swathe of the population who were working in very low paid roles. Unskilled workers move west (Ukrainians to Poland, Poles to the UK etc.) and ours are left with nowhere to go. With low wages, they could likewise forget about any possibility of spending £150k on a motorhome and touring Europe, their concern was whether they could top up the meter this week.

your posts haven't exactly been kind to remainers and what they (and the country) have lost

I always do wonder, what ‘country’ people are referring to? The term ‘country has been used more than once here and it’s not clear.

Are people mistaking the ‘country’ for the United Kingdom again?

YABU.

Looks like I'm going to lose this particular vote though.

@darkcaramel

Then the election result would have reflected that also

It did, except it was even worse. Turnout was 67.4% and the Tories got 45% of the vote. So about 30% of the population voted Tory in December.

Then the election result would have reflected that also

43.6% of the vote got Boris his stonking majority. I don't think the election shows you as much as you think it does. It wasn't a referendum.

Oh that was less than 14 million people btw, less than voted for brexit.

Nudge - there was the Brexit vote - for Brexit
There was the EU election- won by The Brexit Party
There was the GE when it had become clear that Labour were incapable of delivering Brexit and the party with the slogan Get Brexit Done - won that election.
In the meantime there were many many indirect attempts to thwart the result of the referendum but every time the people were asked, the answer came back the same.

@Hashtagbollocks
because if there hadn't been open borders to low skilled eu workers the need for high density housing wouldn't be so great

If there hadn't been jobs for the low skilled EU workers to do, then the need for high density housing wouldn't be so great ?

We had the highest employment figures, in the months preceeding the Brexit vote, since comparable records began in 1971 , it was 74.2% .