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to hate what Brexiters have done

542 replies

mrsmootoo · 01/07/2020 08:39

I know this has been done before, but knowing that we are now likely on course for a No Deal Brexit in the midst of a pandemic I am so angry and upset about what Brexiters voted for. I'll forgive any who were conned and now think better of it, but I cannot get over the loss of Freedom of Movement to live and work in the EU - not so much for me, but for my children - and the way the UK is sliding in international standing economically and in attracting doctors, nurses, scientists etc. (I know from before that Leavers don't care what I think, but just had to post).

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Disquieted1 · 01/07/2020 18:00

It's simplistic and insulting to state that people voted for Brexit because they were either uneducated, racist or influenced by a slogan on a bus. Some may have been, but not 17 million people!

The powers that be had 40 years to show people how the EEC and EU were working for them and failed to do so. Answer why, instead of labelling people as foolish bigots.

hashtagbollocks · 01/07/2020 18:00

kendodd
do you also assume everyone who votes labour is an anti semitic racist?
In fact let's try to think of a political party / campaign that doesn't have a minority portion that some people think of as racist.

Burgundy1844 · 01/07/2020 18:04

Hashtag I think there’s every chance of a third referendum, but clearly not for a very long time. It will be for the next generation to decide. At the moment the indications are that that generation would vote to rejoin. But who knows where we and the EU will be in decades!?

darkcaramel · 01/07/2020 18:04

It’s always the same.

‘Give me a reason you voted to leave!’

‘Reason, reason, reason.’

Seven pages later ‘no one can even give a reason ...’

hashtagbollocks · 01/07/2020 18:06

dark caramel it's been explained over and over again over the years.
In the spirit of the BLM campaign; it's not up to others to educate you, there is a world of information out there. read some of it.

hashtagbollocks · 01/07/2020 18:07

kendodd can I ask which political party you normally vote for?

darkcaramel · 01/07/2020 18:08

I think you read me incorrectly hashtag, I was agreeing with you! I was saying that on these threads remainers demand reasons, leavers give the reasons, and then the remainers insist no reasons have been given! Grin

hashtagbollocks · 01/07/2020 18:09

caramel oops, sorry !
ha, yes, you're right.
I'm sure someone will repeat it again anyway!

Goslowlysideways · 01/07/2020 18:12

Hate it. Hate what they have done. Actively dislike most brexit voters. Really still cross and I am never going to change that. Absolute disaster. What was the ducking point?!?!?!!!
Twats

GirlsBlouse17 · 01/07/2020 18:14

Yay another Brexit bashing thread! Have missed you!

jasjas1973 · 01/07/2020 18:16

@GirlsBlouse17 Scroll on?

hashtagbollocks · 01/07/2020 18:21

girlsblouse
I'm quite enjoying it too!
Really amusing how some people are still frothing at the mouth about it.
You would have thought after all this time and given the current economic disaster that they will have had the time and resources to figure out why over half the population wanted to leave. Apparently not.
maybe we need another few months severe lockdown to free up some time for them to do some reading up

jasjas1973 · 01/07/2020 18:28

@hashtagbollocks

MC's, prob the ones most concerned about Brexit, aren't going to be hit as hard by CV (literally) and are the ones most likely to avoid economic hardship.

Personally, couldn't care less what happens to the brexit voters in poorer areas, they voted for what happens next.

Brexit and the election of BJ, forced me to switch off my social conscience.

Eskarina1 · 01/07/2020 18:28

I don't think people who voted for brexit can be blamed. I voted remain but could see some of the arguments for leave. I voted remain because i thought tje economic risk was too great with a Tory government. However, there was no sense that a vote for leave was a vote for a no deal Brexit in the middle of a pandemic with a devastated economy. It's terrifying but we need not to blame each other. I think the blame needs to sit with the people now in control.

frumpety · 01/07/2020 18:31

@Salida , I simply asked if she knew who owned the properties, a lot of places have had this issue with HMO's and student accomodation. Landlords will usually aim to make as much money out of a property as they can. There are things that could be done to mitgate this, such as changing planning laws, but I am not sure what it has to do with being a member of the EU ?

jasjas1973 · 01/07/2020 18:33

@Eskarina1 Agree but most brexiters are still proud of what they've done, so yep, blame em and if they suffer because of brexit, tough.

hashtagbollocks · 01/07/2020 18:35

Personally, couldn't care less what happens to the brexit voters in poorer areas
Amazing how it's often the people who like to think of themselves as liberal and left who are actually nasty pieces of work when you scratch the surface.
I'm sure the children of places such as Rochdale will welcome your compassion and understanding #bekind ( go on, admit you used that #)

hashtagbollocks · 01/07/2020 18:37

MC's, prob the ones most concerned about Brexit, aren't going to be hit as hard by CV (literally) and are the ones most likely to avoid economic hardship
Actually, latest projections put the middle classes as precisely the demographic who will be hardest hit by covid.

hashtagbollocks · 01/07/2020 18:38

Eskarina1 Agree but most brexiters are still proud of what they've done, so yep, blame em and if they suffer because of brexit, tough
bloody hell, couple of peaches on here today

hashtagbollocks · 01/07/2020 18:39

frumpety
because if there hadn't been open borders to low skilled eu workers the need for high density housing wouldn't be so great

Hopoindown31 · 01/07/2020 18:41

Sadly I know plenty of thick, racist northerners and midlanders who have voted for brexit and are currently spouting off about 'all lives matter' and posting completely fake racist bullshit on social media.

Yes, not all leavers are these people but it was a significant number. Many people in their naice bubbles on mumsnet have little connection to these people so if they are leavers can't really appreciate how many there are out there. I'm from working class northern stock and live in an ex-coal mining area and have a lot of family, friends and acquaintances on social media and in real life who meet at least some of the typical stereotypes and I have had a lot of fruitless arguments with people who can't articulate any meaningful reasons to leave the EU that are not related to stopping foreigners being over here, bendy bananas or other misconceptions about about regulations that the UK government has total control of.

I of course accept that there are problems with the EU and it desperately needs reform. It is bureaucratic and high-handed at times. I also accept that there are communities (such as fishing) that have legitimate beef with the EU, but to me the potential for economic damage by leaving far outweighed these problems.

Even those these legitimate gripes exist, the reality of the referendum is that without stoking the xenophobia and racism endemic in many of these Northern and Midlands working class communities the Vote Leave and Leave.eu campaigns would not have mustered the numbers to get a majority in the referendum, which is why they did it.

But now the referendum is in the rear view mirror and in truth the guys in charge don't really give a shit about anyone but themselves. They are being bankrolled by a bunch of disaster capitalists and people looking to take advantage of a low regulation UK and are prepared to fuck over the very working class communities that they have mislead and egged on.

I'm educated with a lot of transferrable skills and a decent level of financial security so I'm hopeful about my ability to weather the storm of the coming cliff edge. The same can't be said for the car plant workers in the north east, many of whom voted to leave, despite being told the risks.

As such, I have little sympathy for anyone who voted leave and will be affected by the impact of Brexit. I heard and read the media and the campaigns and these people were warned, clearly and on multiple occassions about the potential risks, and it was dismissed as 'project fear'.

KenDodd · 01/07/2020 18:42

@Disquieted1

It's simplistic and insulting to state that people voted for Brexit because they were either uneducated, racist or influenced by a slogan on a bus.

Dominic Cummings has said that all his research shows Leave would not have won without the lie about the NHS and Turkey. I think that's the link below, it's long I'm afraid.

@hashtagbollocks

kendodd can I ask which political party you normally vote for?

I've voted for them all (almost) over the years.

hashtagbollocks · 01/07/2020 18:42

Anyway, it's been good fun picking at the open sore again.
maybe we can all revisit in another 4 months and see if any remainers are less angry/ nasty/ frankly snobby bastards regarding poorer people.
let's wait and see.
Oh, but I do still want to know who you vote for kendodd