to hate what Brexiters have done

[mrsmootoo]

I know this has been done before, but knowing that we are now likely on course for a No Deal Brexit in the midst of a pandemic I am so angry and upset about what Brexiters voted for. I'll forgive any who were conned and now think better of it, but I cannot get over the loss of Freedom of Movement to live and work in the EU - not so much for me, but for my children - and the way the UK is sliding in international standing economically and in attracting doctors, nurses, scientists etc. (I know from before that Leavers don't care what I think, but just had to post).

And where’s the Russia report??!!

Not everyone who voted for Brexit voted for this shower of shit.

Some remain voters also voted for this shower of shit.

The real villain here is out old fashioned wanky electoral system.

Without that there would likely have been no referendum.

@FriedasCarLoad

I find it hard to understand how intelligent people who have seriously looked into the EU with an open mind can fail to see any arguments for the side they disagree with.

I'm strongly opposed to the GRA (amongst other things) but am perfectly capable of understanding why others are for it, without having to assume they're all thick /selfish /malicious /ignorant.

With Brexit, so many people see it as completely black and white.

Hear hear!

That’s a fair point. I know some leavers who definitely didn’t want a hard Brexit and still don’t believe that that will be the outcome. In fact Ive heard so many versions of Brexit that I start to wonder if anyone will get what they wanted.

Gaslighting is abuse in a relationship, and it's abuse in politics

I love the hypocrisy of this, its as if all the remainers have been angelic little souls and not thrown any abuse about.

@hashtagbollocks
No idea, i don’t personally know any thick racist northerners, my friends and acquaintances from up north are all clever and tolerant. My only example is in a part of my family.

That said, I believe the original narrative was the Brexit was a cry of help from the “left behind”, which appeared to be pushed a lot in the early days, especially by the leave side and in politics. Then at some point it got pointed out that a hefty chunk of leave voters were relatively well off pensioners, such as English pensioners retired to Wales, or the Home Counties examples cited above.

So no, not guilt per se but the realisation that it was probably unfair to put it all on poor northerners.

@strugglingwithdeciding

Are people still going in about this now
I mean really you have no idea why some voted for brexit and just because it wasnt your choice doesnt mean they were wrong and you are right
Get over it ,accept its happening and move on

I know exactly why a lot of people voted for Brexit unfortunately. The vast majority of people I know who voted for Brexit did so because they're racist and don't like anyone foreign. That's it, they didn't care about anything else. They're all very happy about Brexit and don't care about any negative consequences. They don't even give a shit about the peace in NI and are completely indifferent to the birth of the New IRA or the killing of Lyra Mckee.

Most people in the North voted leave....BUT most people who voted leave, lived in the South (that's where the majority of the population live - there are more people in Enfield than Sunderland).

Left off the last part - realisation based on facts that emerged

i don’t personally know any thick racist northerners

I unfortunately know loads, most of my family and their friends.

@XingMing who owns the properties in your Mum's street that have been turned into flats and rented out ?

I love the hypocrisy of this, its as if all the remainers have been angelic little souls and not thrown any abuse about.

What's hypocrisy ? Remainers did not win the referendum and therefore haven't had the opportunity to lie about what winning meant.

We all know exactly how this plays out. Remainers, using the power of Google, remind Brexiteers of all the promises made before and after the referendum. Such as "The UK will not leave the single market* (fior example). Brexiteers then suddenly discover a nest of squirrels and start saying things like "but, but, but" and refuse to even admit there is a difference between the promises of 2016,2017, and 2019 and now.

How about "The easiest trade deal in history" ?
"All done over a cup of tea in an afternoon" ?

etc etc.

Eventually someone will try to pretend this is what they wanted all along, only Google is broken or some such shit.

The vast majority of people I know who voted for Brexit did so because they're racist and don't like anyone foreign
gosh, you really need to change your social circle love
Most ( in fact all ) the people I know who voted leave did so as they thought it would benefit the country economically as well as socially.
Ho hum, guess we all knock about with different sorts

Hashtag, I think that just highlights how different leave voters are. Most of those that I know don’t actually believe it will be economically advantageous (at least not until the dim and distant) and voted leave for other reasons. Leavers (like remainers) had very varied motivations which means only a portion of those who voted leave will be satisfied with the eventual outcome.

frumpety Wed 01-Jul-20 17:29:55
@XingMing who owns the properties in your Mum's street that have been turned into flats and rented out ?

Who cares ? When a street of family houses turn into 'flatland' - wherever and whoever occupies them - it's not something that the residents generally see as desirable.

@hashtagbollocks

The leave voting racists are my family unfortunately.
Other lovers of Brexit include -
Tommy Robinson
EDL
BNP
Britain First

In fact ever neo nazi/racists group going supported Leave. Coincidence?

In fact ever neo nazi/racists group going supported Leave. Coincidence?
and also just over half the voters of which a miniscule number are affiliated with those groups ( but |I'm sure your going to trot out a line such as " any time you vote the same as these people you are validating their ethos- or some such bollocks which implies you can't vote the way you want to if some unpleasant people also vote that way)
Democracy, tough sometimes isn't it?

We all know exactly how this plays out. Remainers, using the power of Google, remind Brexiteers of all the promises made before and after the referendum. Such as "The UK will not leave the single market" (fior example). Brexiteers then suddenly discover a nest of squirrels and start saying things like "but, but, but" and refuse to even admit there is a difference between the promises of 2016,2017, and 2019 and now.
This is a bit pointless isn't it?
We were promised that if we voted leave there would be an emergency punishment budget immediately. David Cameron promised he'd do whatever we decided but he didn't, he ran away.
Anyone relying on promises on either side of the argument will soon be disappointed.

I didn't know (no-one could) if we'd leave the single market - although there doesn't seem to be much point in leaving but not leaving.

[quote KenDodd]**@hashtagbollocks

The leave voting racists are my family unfortunately.
Other lovers of Brexit include -
Tommy Robinson
EDL
BNP
Britain First

In fact ever neo nazi/racists group going supported Leave. Coincidence?[/quote]
Jeremy Clarkson and Tony Blair were remainers - this issue made some strange bedfellows.

Based on this thread, Brexit voters can still only cry ‘get over it’ ... we never will - it’s always been a shit idea and now that it’s turned into a ‘no deal’ version - it’s the shittiest iteration of a shit idea.

I didn't know (no-one could) if we'd leave the single market - although there doesn't seem to be much point in leaving but not leaving.

It makes zero difference what you knew unless you are Boris Johnson come to earth in human form (or as close as you can get). However it was pledged twice. Once in 2016 before the referendum, and once in 2017 for the winning Tory manifesto.

As I said earlier, most people I know who voted leave did so because they are racist. Proper, they should all fuck off home racists.
Even sadly some friends that I love and respect and would never have thought of as racist, in recent years sadly even they've come out with racist reasons behind their vote. Sometimes just little things like making comments such as they didn't think any one was left living in Poland as they're all over here. I think this is why leave voters have been so immovable in their vote despite seeing every promise about how great Brexit would be turn out to be untrue.

If it wasn't for the affect on NI I would say that we deserve Brexit because we've allowed racism to flourish in the UK. I mean even look at our PM and all the racist statements he's said and written, it didn't damage him at all (infact I think it probably won him support). How could we as a nation put a man like that as our leader? I could cry at what we've become.

Based on this thread, Brexit voters can still only cry ‘get over it
well no, anyone with a modicum of common sense is saying that the decision has been made and slagging off leavers won't change that.
remainers are of course entitled to disagree but it won't change the outcome .
I am of course assuming that nobody is STILL clinging onto the idea of another referendum

Sorry, that last post was in reply to @hashtagbollocks

I could cry at what we've become
crack on then