to hate what Brexiters have done

[mrsmootoo]

I know this has been done before, but knowing that we are now likely on course for a No Deal Brexit in the midst of a pandemic I am so angry and upset about what Brexiters voted for. I'll forgive any who were conned and now think better of it, but I cannot get over the loss of Freedom of Movement to live and work in the EU - not so much for me, but for my children - and the way the UK is sliding in international standing economically and in attracting doctors, nurses, scientists etc. (I know from before that Leavers don't care what I think, but just had to post).

I wonder what threads there will be in 12 months or two years time when the impact of a no deal Brexit has hit industry, the economy and individuals on Mn.

No 1. Pissing off Remainers.....makes me so happy.

Not sure why ? we are all in it together aren't we ?

Parker it will be someone else’s fault.

Well we have six months left to arrange a sensibly managed Brexit @XingMing , lets hope for all our sakes that the Government pull it off.

@Finerumpus

Brexit won 3 times. Under different systems of counting the vote.

Only in the realms of fantasy.

I wonder what threads there will be in 12 months or two years time when the impact of a no deal Brexit has hit industry, the economy and individuals on Mn.

Leavers won't care. The scales fell from my eyes a while ago on that. There is NOTHING that will turn people away from Brexit. I thought when the dangers to the peace in NI became clear to people Leave voters would rethink and see what they're risking, I was wrong, even people being killed didn't move the needle at all. Now we have Tory voters literally burying their relatives while saying what a great job Boris Brexit Johnson is doing, it's unbelievable.

XingMing any Chinese coming wont be leaving with their wealth intact, able set up nice businesses as the world settles into a 30s style depression, i suspect many will look at what they have in HK and what they will gain by coming here, a country that is predicted to be one of the hardest hit by CV and of course by Brexit.

clav Johnsons base isn't in the populations of twee private schools, its Workington man :)

Referendum - yes/no
EU elections - transferable vote
GE - first past the post

I suspect many will look at what they have in HK and what they will gain by coming here, a country that is predicted to be one of the hardest hit by CV and of course by Brexit

I don’t know the exact situation in Hong Kong, but before the Berlin Wall came down people were leaving via whatever way they could - claiming asylum in the West German embassy in Czechoslovakia (as it was then) or escaping into Austria at the Pan European Picnic. They left with the clothes on their back so desperate were they to leave a police state.
Are people in Hong Kong not desperate to do the same?

I wonder what threads there will be in 12 months or two years time when the impact of a no deal Brexit has hit industry, the economy and individuals on Mn.

The usual illiter/illnumerates telling us to, "Get over it", and "It's The Will of the People", and "Can you Imagine the mess we'd be in if Corbin had won?" Nothing will change. Except the phones they'll be battering their die-hard Brexity bollocks out on won't be as up to date as the ones they're battering it out on now because they can't afford to buy new ones.

jasjas1973
clav Johnsons base isn't in the populations of twee private schools, its Workington man

I thought Workington man was a swing voter not a base voter.

My friend is married to a HK Chinese man, he doesn't support the pro democracy movement and his parents in HK see them as bored troublemaking students.

HK is a huge source of business and income for the Chinese, HK people can leave to travel etc and they do and they return home, there is no comparisons to East Germany.

The UK should stay out of HK and its politics, its in the past, better we don't use Huawei 5G equipment and on-shore our manufacturing.

The bonus of (a sensibly managed) Brexit will be that the UK will continue to be a major consumer of European manufactured goods, like German cars, white goods, and clothing for starters. The EU is among the world's best producers and the UK is the EU's biggest customer. Our economy is built on services and intangibles. There is no significant overlap.

There is absolutely no evidence that Brexit has or is going to be sensibly managed for large parts of the economy. This bonus is just whistful thinking.

Also what about the services that our economy is built on? Many of them are not confined to the UK market, particularly the financial sector which is a huge net contributor to HM treasury. What happens when they cannot access European markets effectively as is currently being threatened? Where is the bonus then?

What has been evident throughout our negotiations with the EU is that, despite the gargantuan levels of bluster, the UK is in a very weak position. Johnson's changes to the May deal were completely cosmetic and the May deal was essentially largely dictated by the EU. We are now facing customs checks inside the UK despite assurances that would not be the case yet the zealotry is so all encompassing that this betrayal seems to just have been forgotten.

The Johnson government has either got to leave with no deal or essentially capitulate to an EU favoured trade deal. Either will not be good news for the UK economy, but the latter is likely to be the least worse option. It really all depends on whether the "hawks" or "doves" prevail here and I am really thinking that there aren't many "doves" left with any influence over Johnson.

What I see is a government that wants to favour disaster capitalists and deregulators. Neither care the slighted bit about Workington Man and his finances.

HK is a huge source of business and income for the Chinese, HK people can leave to travel etc and they do and they return home, there is no comparisons to East Germany.

Thank you for explaining the situation.

EU elections - transferable vote

Not quite so simple - NI STV system, Great Britain d'Hondt list system.

Back to Hong Kong - won't the more astute ones have already been transferring at least some of their wealth out? It was not terribly difficult to predict which way the wind would blow i.e. that Beijing would flex its muscles sooner or later and there would be sweet FA that the UK could do about it.

I voted for Brexit knowing full well it could be a complete disaster.
Economically, I doubt there will be any positives.
Nevertheless, I stand by my actions unashamedly.
Immigration,- and the chance to kick the Metropolitan elite firmly in the teeth (metaphorically), were my motives.
I’ve lived in a downtrodden ex-mining community all my life. People like myself feel they have nothing to lose,- and perhaps a chance to regain something that has been long lost.
Over 70% of the electorate voted to leave in my area.
That says everything.
For years we have felt ignored.
Brexit was not voted for on the strength of its potential merits.
It was a protest movement.
An opportunity to ruffle feathers,- and as this post demonstrates,- it has been effective in doing so.

Jesus wept. Bring the whole bloody country down to ruffle feathers. Unfortunately those feathers belong to birds too wealthy to even notice.

What do you hope to regain? I don't think the pits will re-open. I don't know whether they were worked out or not, but they would have had to be maintained to be brought back into service, not left to rot.

I hope they just get on with Brexit. I didn’t vote for it, but a lot of people did. They voted for David Cameron who promised a referendum; they voted for it in the referendum; they voted for Boris who promised to execute it.
It might be a mistake, none of us can truly know, but ignoring so many democratic mechanisms is inconceivable.

Should have left ASAP .

But no courage of convictions. Extension after extension.

Now the die is cast..

Would still like to know what the positives might be. No answers so far.

Ciovid will be the cover now.

Well, of course they didn’t have the courage of their convictions, they didn’t have any convictions at all, or rather several dozen different convictions depending on which voters they wanted to appeal to.
The die is not cast, we’ve got a deal which extends the status quo to the end of transition and a prime minister currently negotiating to inflict the maximum possible damage on his own country, while the EU seek to preserve as much of the mutual market access with as high standards and low barriers as possible.
It’s actually insane. We have locked down the accelerator as we drive towards the cliff while trying to argue for the hardest possible landing.
This is only charitably described as self-harm because the people in charge are likely to benefit, middle classes will be hit but scrape through and the working classes will be hit hardest and worst.
I work in a sector which will be catastrophically impacted by Brexit and where the rights of individuals - that’s whether they are remain or leave individuals - are on the table to be gambled away. I’ve been researching it for four years now and it’s been clear from the beginning what a sick trick is being played.
So no, I’m not angry with the Brexiteers unless they campaigned for it or have been in charge of it. I’m sad for all of us.

Salty - loads of answers. Just do a search. Even if you only look on this website you’ll find them.

@Alsohuman
It sounds awfully selfish of me I know.
But this area couldn’t sink much further, it is already firmly ‘on its knees’.
What have the majority of the electorate here got to lose?
There is a slim chance something beneficial may
arise from Brexit.
Although I somehow doubt it!