to hate what Brexiters have done

[mrsmootoo]

I know this has been done before, but knowing that we are now likely on course for a No Deal Brexit in the midst of a pandemic I am so angry and upset about what Brexiters voted for. I'll forgive any who were conned and now think better of it, but I cannot get over the loss of Freedom of Movement to live and work in the EU - not so much for me, but for my children - and the way the UK is sliding in international standing economically and in attracting doctors, nurses, scientists etc. (I know from before that Leavers don't care what I think, but just had to post).

Aww hun, I too miss the good old days of Brexit bashing and calling everyone who chose to exercise their vote in a different way to you a thicko. I mean what has mumsnet become? It’s all about that pesky Cononavirus and spying on each other for going into someone’s back garden. Not to mention screaming people down who what their kids to go back to school and get some kind of education.

Well done for pulling us all back in line again so we can resume screaming and frothing at the mouth over Brexit!

Yes, we are in decline. It will be interesting in gruesome sort of way to see how things pan out. Despite believing this govt to be the worst in my lifetime by some distance, I thought they might not completely fuck up their handling of coronavirus. How wrong I was!

Can you imagine telling France or Germany that they're not independent?

10/05/2020
"A legal battle is brewing in the EU over a judgement earlier this week in Germany, and the EU's top court has fired back."

"In a statement, the Head of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen said the commission will now analyse the German court ruling and look into possible steps, which "could include the option of infringement proceedings."

"She added, the "final word on EU law is always spoken in Luxembourg. Nowhere else."

"Germany's Constitutional court ruling on May 5, which took aim at the European Central Bank's mass bond-buying scheme, had wider implications for the European Court of Justice (ECJ), the top legal authority of the bloc."

"The ruling related to government debt worth €2.1 trillion purchased by the ECB starting in 2015 (so-called quantitive easing).The court said that there was not enough political oversight in the buying scheme."

"The ECJ responded on Friday that they "consistently held that a judgment in which the Court gives a preliminary ruling is binding on the national court." Indeed, the ECJ ruled in 2018 that government bond purchasing was legal."

"The press release went on to state that the court was the only authority with jurisdiction to rule whether or not an act of an EU institution is contrary to EU law.This was to 'ensure that EU law is applied uniformly'."

"The release went further to state that divergences between EU country's courts 'would be liable to place in jeopardy the unity of the EU legal order'."

"Germany's constitutional court said the ECJ had effectively overstepped its authority, accusing them of acting 'ultra vires' (beyond their powers) in the 2018 ruling."

"However, the European Commission already reaffirmed the 'primacy of EU law' and the fact that all ECJ rulings are 'binding on all national courts'."

"Concerns were raised over Germany's ruling in Brussels, that it could set a dangerous precedent if national courts could overrule the EU's top court."

www.euronews.com/2020/05/08/eu-s-top-court-fires-back-over-german-ecb-ruling-as-primacy-of-eu-law-comes-into-play

Not many of you run businesses or face the payroll run every month, do you?

We have nine employees, and need to find over £20k every month to keep the ball in the air. Our staff are paid properly, no MW. This is not cheap talk. It's not public sector work we do; it's tendered and priced and each contract has to be priced to chip in for the rent, rates and electricity, phone, broadband, vehicles, etc. Once those costs are paid, we take our reward. If there is none, we are the people who take the hit. So when we can, we save, so there is something for a rainy day. After 45 years of (frankly) damned hard work, and several health crises, my DH is quite looking forward to a gentler existence and not being lambasted as some kind of slave driver.

And now Boris has invited 3million Hong King citizens over.

I'm a through and through Remainer. I find this hilarious. Why hasn't it been picked up by anyone?

www.neehao.co.uk/2015/05/british-chinese-more-likely-to-vote-conservative/

Thought this argument had been settled by an overwhelming majority last December and we'd all moved on.

Apparently not, if everyone had voted.

Around an extra 1m Chinese coming here is not going to be popular among Johnsons base, if the chinese let them leave.

If the HK emigrants have the right skill set, and fancy our area, we would be pleased to have their CVs. But we'd be paying the going rate, locally, not a pittance.

14m voted Tory, 15m voted for Remain supporting parties :)

@XingMing thank you for answering my question. I don't really understand how the rest of your post's have anything to do with the UK being a member of the EU, has there been a EU law or regulation that has had a detrimental effect on your particular business ?

@SerendipityJane

Most developed countries set quite high hurdles for economic migrants, to achieve the balance of skills their economy requires

Until today that might have been true. An open door policy to 3,000,000 people runs counter to that.

FOM within the EU was a bit of an experiment when the mid and east European expansion happened.

And FOM from HK is a bigger experiment. Who's recording the results ?

The residents of Hong Kong wouldn't be coming as economic migrants, they'd be coming as refugees.

if the chinese let them leave.

I hadn’t realised that this was a possibility - but then other Communist countries such as North Korea and the former Soviet Union prevented their citizens from leaving so presumably China may do the same.

14m voted Tory, 15m voted for Remain supporting parties

Are you suggesting that the Labour Party were deliberately tricking voters with the offer of a second referendum and a better Brexit deal?

Chinese view on HK Chinese with UK passports.... "all Hong Kong Chinese compatriots, whether they are holders of the 'British Dependent Territories Citizens' Passport' or not, are Chinese nationals"

that was in 1984, China now is a much more powerful nation now.

No Clav, merely pointing out that Johnson won a large parliamentary majority, not one in the country.

An issue with Uk electoral system, no matter the party voted in.

The exception to that of course being referendums ...

Brexit won 3 times. Under different systems of counting the vote.

Around an extra 1m Chinese coming here is not going to be popular among Johnson's base, if the Chinese let them leave.

On the contrary - Chinese, Japanese, British Indian, American and European families happily mix in the private schools near me.

@Clavinova

And now Boris has invited 3million Hong King citizens over.

I'm a through and through Remainer. I find this hilarious. Why hasn't it been picked up by anyone?

www.neehao.co.uk/2015/05/british-chinese-more-likely-to-vote-conservative/

It will be. But the majority of people who decide to leave HK will be industrious and want their children to have a better life. They will drive their children to do well at school. I'm quite friendly with a Taiwanese lady who started a very successful restaurant in a small market town and put her four children through private schools to ensure they would become professionals in highly qualification driven careers. Now the kids are launched, they have retired.

Still waiting for the positives of Brexit from those who voted in favour.

I'm sure someone will tell me. Unless they cannot.

Salty - may I suggest you do a search for your answers. It has been discussed so many times before. On the website and many other places. If you still can’t or won’t understand, I’m not sure there’s anything to gain from repeating everything again.

The GE was massively complicated by the fact that the LibDems made a big mistake in saying they would overturn the result - not democratic.

In the very unlikely event of them winning, it would have been democratic - the winning would give them the mandate.

And by the fact that Corbyn made Labour unelectable.

Few would disagree.

Many people voted for Johnson for reasons that were nothing to do with Brexit - yet he and the hard Brexiters claim they now have a mandate for something which was never discussed by the Leave campaign, eg leaving Single Market etc. There is footage of Gove saying basically no UK or EU citizen's life will change at all.

Johnson's Manifesto was to get Brexit done, and some blather about getting a great deal. In practice his Get Brexit Done policy was a blank sheet of paper. He was voted in so now he has a mandate to do whatever he likes. He will hail No Deal as a "Great Deal", world beating blah de blah because that is what the man does. If the shit really hits the fan he and his cronies will find somewhere to scarper too - a nice tax haven somewhere, I wouldn't doubt.

No 1. Pissing off Remainers.....makes me so happy.

The bonus of (a sensibly managed) Brexit will be that the UK will continue to be a major consumer of European manufactured goods, like German cars, white goods, and clothing for starters. The EU is among the world's best producers and the UK is the EU's biggest customer. Our economy is built on services and intangibles. There is no significant overlap.