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To think it’s dumb that international holidays are being encouraged in the middle of a pandemic

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Redolent · 27/06/2020 23:09

AIBU to think is probably the part of the coronavirus pandemic that will lead to WTF reactions in future history books? A world clinging desperately to its globalized ways and unwilling to countenance altering them even in the midst of a crisis like this.

European countries have just gone through months of brutal economic and social lockdowns, with the goal of suppressing the virus. They’ve just experienced, at a huge cost, what it’s like to have the virus slowly and imperceptibly land within their borders via air travel.

And yet, just as the virus starts circulating at low levels, they all decide to open up their borders to each other again, in these supposedly safe ‘air corridors’. Enroute to their destinations, their citizens flock to public transport, then to busy airports and planes, where they sit for hours in the midst of other passengers, then on to their destinations, where they mix with other citizens coming in from all over the world too, in social and alcohol-fuelled conditions. In the meantime, governments - like the UK - have vowed that any outbreaks in other countries will mean that returning tourists may have to suddenly quarantine for two weeks upon their return home. It’s a panicked and volatile strategy, subject to a monitoring of the spread of the virus in multiple other countries. Of course it’s bound to go wrong.

TLDR: close the borders. Internationalism can wait.

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Thefifthbeatle · 28/06/2020 11:39

Apologies - I should have said "lots of things that aren't legally prohibited".

crosseyedMary · 28/06/2020 11:41

Most of the things that humans enjoy doing and around which we have based our economy are now incompatible with avoiding transmission of the virus

Anjelika · 28/06/2020 11:52

I saw footage on the news last week of the beach at Bournemouth and also a beach in Spain and I know which one looked the safest! Like some other posters, we booked flights last year which haven't been cancelled and we are staying in a villa. We are hiring a car so, if we go to a beach or attraction that looks really crowded or gets overcrowded whilst we're there, we can just move on. We as a family have spent months at home - working from home, schooling from home - and we've obeyed all the lockdown rules. We are really looking forward to a change of scenery if nothing else. It won't be like our usual holidays, granted, but for us it will be a much needed break. As for holidaying in this country - we had a long weekend away booked for August which has been cancelled (Airbnb) and I think lots of places will be absolutely rammed. It seems like we are going against the grain by wanting to go on our holiday abroad which is fine by me - hopefully it will mean Spain will be a lot less crowded than here!

user1497207191 · 28/06/2020 11:59

All this talk of "air bridges".

What steps are being taken in airports to stop people in an "air bridge" mixing with people from "unsafe" countries?

Are there going to be separate queues for security/passport control, separate shopping/eating areas?

If travellers to/from anywhere aren't segregated in airports, then it makes an absolute mockery of the "air bridge" idea.

stealm · 28/06/2020 12:17

Several European countries have indicated that people in the UK will be allowed to visit next month. The news talks about little else but "air bridges" at the moment.

Several countries have indicated this, yes but a few countries on the UK's green list have not indicated this at all - and have in fact imposed Corona test requirements on people coming in from one area of Germany. It's irresponsible of the government to make issues of countries without clearly stating whether there is reciprocity and whether there will be requirements such as tests.
A lot of people have booked holidays in the last week or so without being fully informed.

Redolent · 28/06/2020 12:21

@user1497207191

All this talk of "air bridges".

What steps are being taken in airports to stop people in an "air bridge" mixing with people from "unsafe" countries?

Are there going to be separate queues for security/passport control, separate shopping/eating areas?

If travellers to/from anywhere aren't segregated in airports, then it makes an absolute mockery of the "air bridge" idea.

Very good point.
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Bourbonbiccy · 28/06/2020 12:25

You stay in your car on the eurotunnel

Yes, my mistake BlushBlush

worzelsnurzel123 · 28/06/2020 12:26

@user1497207191 and @Redolent - at the airport I’m attending there are no shopping/ restaurants etc open just a chemist and a take away which will operate normal social distancing rules. The lounge areas for each flight will be segregated as well as queues for checking in.

Redolent · 28/06/2020 12:39

[quote worzelsnurzel123]**@user1497207191* and @Redolent* - at the airport I’m attending there are no shopping/ restaurants etc open just a chemist and a take away which will operate normal social distancing rules. The lounge areas for each flight will be segregated as well as queues for checking in.[/quote]
Thanks for the info. More reassuring.

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Bourbonbiccy · 28/06/2020 12:39

no one is forcing you to go on holiday. We are definitely going to see my parents in Belgium as we haven’t seen them since Christmas and since the air bridges news we’re now having our holiday in France. We’ve assessed the risks and are happy to go ahead.

Oh yes I understand this is just a discussion over wether we think it is "dumb" or not and I won't be forced to go anywhere, hence me saying I'm likely not to go on ours as we have discussed the risks to ourselves and others with the risk of increasing transmission and unless something changes within that time period we are staying at home.

We understand everyone is different.

mencken · 28/06/2020 12:42

now we know the reality of what is needed to combat climate change. It's a bit more than waving banners and truanting on Fridays, isn't it?

sorry Greta, nice try but you were wasting your time.

BogRollBOGOF · 28/06/2020 12:43

I'm not rushing to go abroad as what is on offer doesn't appeal to mine or my family's sense of what is a good holiday.
However:

The risks are similar across the countries with air bridges. Travel is still discouraged and quarantines in place for higher risk countries.

Tourism is a major sector of the economy. My city is already facing thousands of redundancies through the chain linked to the reduction of aviation. It's not just direct employment in tourist services in either the host or donor country.

The UK has a net loss of tourists to other countries. Tourism spreads the load across larger areas with better infrastructure. The scenes in Bournemouth would have been far less congested if thousands of those people were abroad or staying through the area rather than daytripping down and back in a day. Britain always goes crazy with opportunism for sunshine and temperatures in their high 20s. Remove holiday plans of guaranteed sunshine and tourism infrastructure and no wonder it goes chaotic.

Vitamin D and sunshine are good antidotes to reduce transmission and suceptibility to Covid 19.

HannahStern · 28/06/2020 12:46

Boris Johnson seems to believe that Australia will happily sign an air-bridge agreement with the UK. I think this is unlikely at best.

mrpumblechook · 28/06/2020 12:49

A lot of people have booked holidays in the last week or so without being fully informed.

If they have booked and paid they are idiots as it hasn't been confirmed yet. I suspect most haven't paid yet though..

MarshaBradyo · 28/06/2020 12:49

I think Australia would be crazy to let U.K. in without quarantine.

mrpumblechook · 28/06/2020 12:50

I saw footage on the news last week of the beach at Bournemouth and also a beach in Spain and I know which one looked the safest!

Yes, but the people in Bournemouth this week will probably be on a beach in Spain as soon as they can.

mrpumblechook · 28/06/2020 12:54

The ultimate irony is these people who are desperate to save the economy may be the ones that destroy it with a second wave.

Very true. A lot of those desperate to go abroad probably voted for Brexit too.

mrpumblechook · 28/06/2020 12:58

Tourism is a major sector of the economy.

So perhaps people should holiday in the UK. It wouldn't help the airline industry but will do a lot for the rest of UK tourism which will probably suffer from lack of overseas visitors this year. Why are airlines considered more important than other industries and whose economy do you think you are really helping when you spend 1000s abroad?

hedgehogger1 · 28/06/2020 13:03

I think most people coming into our country have a lower chance of having Covid that people that live here. Maybe we should just ban visitors from countries that have a higher rate than we do. Mind you by those rules there's not many places Brits could go...

Parker231 · 28/06/2020 13:09

Countries are being graded red, amber and green. There are no plans for those from a red country- ie the US to be allowed to travel to the UK whilst their Covid cases are so high. The FCO aren’t lifting travel restrictions to travel to the US for the same reason.

mbosnz · 28/06/2020 13:13

Well, given how annoyed the people I've been talking to in NZ are with the new cases with New Zealanders returning home, I don't think I'd be making any plans to go there, the welcome mat is definitely not being rolled out!

Itwasnoaccident9786756453 · 28/06/2020 13:18

We're not in the middle of a pandemic any more though. We're at the tail end.

Gosh, is that really what people think? We're going to win the Darwin Awards.

HannahStern · 28/06/2020 13:18

It could be argued that the UK and US would form the perfect air bridge.

The UK has had a death rate of over 650 deaths per million of its population. The US have had just over 380 deaths per million. If the US is indeed a red zone, the UK is an even darker shade of red.

crosseyedMary · 28/06/2020 13:32

The perfect air bridge
that sounds like some sort of death bridge 😕
some sort of bridge of mutually assured destruction for the UK and the US ☹️

Alldressedup · 28/06/2020 13:57

Good god! The moral superiority on this thread is unbelievable. If you’ve assessed the situation and made the decision to holiday in the UK, then that’s great. Good for you and I’m pleased you are doing what you feel comfortable with. But I literally couldn’t give a flying fuck what you think of the choices I make for my family.
The sweeping generalisations here, that everyone going abroad are thick, ignorant, Brexit-voting drunks are appalling. Anyone choosing to go abroad is doing so because they can. The government is saying so.
You crack on with your isolated cottage breaks in rural Devon and make sure you don’t set foot outside of the door for fear of seeing another Covid-ravaged person. Or stay at home and self-flagellate about how morally superior you are.
If I decide to go abroad (yes, shock horror - I’ve not even booked the flights yet!) I will ensure we follow all the rules, wear masks, wash hands, use hand gel etc. Just as I have been doing for the last 3-4 months. I’m not expecting airports to have anything other than stringently applied social distancing rules in place too. And I don’t think planes will be any more risky than a train or boat. But this is my choice to make and I am free to make these choices because it’s the government who decides I can - not a bunch of internet strangers.
You do what you think is right for you. I will make the same decision for me and accept the consequences and risks.
That is my right.

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