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To think it’s dumb that international holidays are being encouraged in the middle of a pandemic

730 replies

Redolent · 27/06/2020 23:09

AIBU to think is probably the part of the coronavirus pandemic that will lead to WTF reactions in future history books? A world clinging desperately to its globalized ways and unwilling to countenance altering them even in the midst of a crisis like this.

European countries have just gone through months of brutal economic and social lockdowns, with the goal of suppressing the virus. They’ve just experienced, at a huge cost, what it’s like to have the virus slowly and imperceptibly land within their borders via air travel.

And yet, just as the virus starts circulating at low levels, they all decide to open up their borders to each other again, in these supposedly safe ‘air corridors’. Enroute to their destinations, their citizens flock to public transport, then to busy airports and planes, where they sit for hours in the midst of other passengers, then on to their destinations, where they mix with other citizens coming in from all over the world too, in social and alcohol-fuelled conditions. In the meantime, governments - like the UK - have vowed that any outbreaks in other countries will mean that returning tourists may have to suddenly quarantine for two weeks upon their return home. It’s a panicked and volatile strategy, subject to a monitoring of the spread of the virus in multiple other countries. Of course it’s bound to go wrong.

TLDR: close the borders. Internationalism can wait.

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Margotshypotheticaldog · 27/06/2020 23:11

Yanbu. It's as though the last number of months were for nothing. I'm baffled!

Doyoumind · 27/06/2020 23:13

I am not feeling positive at the moment. I can hear drunken men at some kind of party, there have been large gatherings for various reasons here there and everywher, and now everyone is going to be getting on aeroplanes and mixing with each other and then hundreds of other people. It won't end well.

whoiscooking · 27/06/2020 23:16

Yanbu

ColourMeExhausted · 27/06/2020 23:18

Totally agree. There's a thread on here about people who are determined to go on summer holidays this year, and I couldn't quite believe it. We've had a pretty good summer weather wise, we can still buy beer, wine and nice food, why do people feel the need to jeapordise it because they can't miss out on their package holiday for one year?? And I say this as someone whose first foreign holiday in years has had to be cancelled. Disappointed, but it's hardly the end of the world and I'd rather not contribute to a second wave thanks!

Pootle40 · 27/06/2020 23:18

The economies need the money and it's as simple as that.

LilBlackLab · 27/06/2020 23:21

absolute madness....greed at its finest.

awishes · 27/06/2020 23:21

It's ridiculous and it would have been such an opportunity to put some money back in to the UK economy by encouraging people to holiday here.

halcyondays · 27/06/2020 23:21

Yes, it’s madness. New Zealand have the right idea.

hammeringinmyhead · 27/06/2020 23:22

Yanbu. I am all for getting the economy going, but this is the one main thing I'm in disbelief over. The only "good" reason for our government doing this is to keep businesses like Tui going and airport staff employed. There are enough people here that would book UK holidays to keep those cafés and hotels relying on the tourist trade to stay afloat.

FizzFan · 27/06/2020 23:23

They need to get their economies going I guess

It will be what it will be. It’s not my job to worry about it. I’m just keeping me and mine away from it all. We won’t be going abroad

PlanDeRaccordement · 27/06/2020 23:27

YABU
Covid is already endemic. The virus is already everywhere in every community. To go from country A to country B when both have the same dispersion of the virus is not extra risk to anyone. The virus is already here, adding ten thousand travellers a day to the mix will make no difference. Closing the borders does nothing to hinder or stop the virus because it is already everywhere. Its just a knee jerk, xenophobic, isolationist reaction with no benefit, no reduction in Covid risk at all.

Redolent · 27/06/2020 23:28

Pleasantly surprised by the responses on here. Agreed that a strong staycation message would have been much more beneficial all round. As long as they reopen the toilets of course Grin

I can imagine some of the people planning on going abroad being shocked when they see lots of reciprocal tourists in the UK!

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CoronaIsShit · 27/06/2020 23:29

YANBU! It’s like some sort of sick joke. Like the last 3 months were for nothing. Absolutely confuddled by it allHmm.

Will these holidays even be worth it? Bad enough queuing at home let alone on holiday. Will restaurants all be open as normal, swimming pools etc?

3cats · 27/06/2020 23:34

I also think it’s too dangerous to travel abroad yet unless it’s serious, for example visiting a dying family member or for business. International travel played a huge part in the spread of this coronavirus.

MaitlandGirl · 27/06/2020 23:37

I can’t understand why people are being encouraged to book holidays to Australia when our govt is saying no international flights for another year!

fabulous01 · 27/06/2020 23:40

A girl at work is desperate to go on her holiday. She has her bags ready. I will be honest. I have just had a look at flights. My head is saying no chance, but part of me is in desperate need to have a break: I am a key worker so have worked long hours of months now. I think people have seen mixed messages and thought of the planes are flying why not. It will never go away so learn to live with it.

But... as much as I looked at the deals I won't be booking.

But I partly understand why people are doing it

thegcatsmother · 27/06/2020 23:42

Plan Its just a knee jerk, xenophobic, isolationist reaction with no benefit, no reduction in Covid risk at all. I'm unsure about that. Even with the borders supposedly reopening within Schengen, my db still isn't allowed atm to travel from Belgium into France, and has no problem with that.

I don't think it's xenophobic to want to protect your population. Every country must therefore according to you, be xenophobic and isolationist, that has closed the borders.

GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit · 27/06/2020 23:45

I plan to drive to France then stay in holiday accommodation. I don't think it will be anymore dangerous to anyone else than staying in the UK. The main activity will be going on nice walks in the countryside. Mostly meals will be eaten in the self catering holiday accommodation. Not up for flying for the reasons mentioned above.

AriettyHomily · 27/06/2020 23:46

Hey need to pump some money through the economy before winter.

Tootletum · 27/06/2020 23:48

Don't go then. Do bored of all this poncing about dressing up your desire to control other people with the greater good.

rayn · 27/06/2020 23:48

What about if you are away and there is a localised lockdown? Surely insurance companies will have a clause?
I am supposed to be going to France end of August driving. Its my grandparents place in the middle of nowhere but we have decided not to go.
Been deliberating since they said we would not have to quarantine. Just don't want to take the risks of been in quarantine over there. A friend is going to Turkey in August and the hotel have said they will have to wear masks around the complex.
I understand people need a break but it does not have to be abroad.
It's potentially only till next year.
It's all very tenuous at the moment.

IAintentDead · 27/06/2020 23:48

I'd rather die of CV than starvation.

Without money coming in we are all in shit street.

Life goes on - or it doesn't. I'd rather live - and die, than exist for longer.

goldfinchfan · 27/06/2020 23:49

As well as being ridiculous in the midst of a pandemic, what about out environmental concerns?

Where are the Save The Planet Campaigners?
AIr travel is not good for the Planet......where is Greta? where is XR? has everyone forgotten already.

What about all those passionate young people striking form school?

Tourism is the biggest industry in the world and is killing the world......but people just want holidays!!

norri · 27/06/2020 23:49

@GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit

I plan to drive to France then stay in holiday accommodation. I don't think it will be anymore dangerous to anyone else than staying in the UK. The main activity will be going on nice walks in the countryside. Mostly meals will be eaten in the self catering holiday accommodation. Not up for flying for the reasons mentioned above.
I am planning on doing the same accommodation is cheaper and weather is pretty much guaranteed. I've worked all the way through and need a break .
PlanDeRaccordement · 27/06/2020 23:52

@thegcatsmother

Plan Its just a knee jerk, xenophobic, isolationist reaction with no benefit, no reduction in Covid risk at all. I'm unsure about that. Even with the borders supposedly reopening within Schengen, my db still isn't allowed atm to travel from Belgium into France, and has no problem with that.

I don't think it's xenophobic to want to protect your population. Every country must therefore according to you, be xenophobic and isolationist, that has closed the borders.

It is xenophobic if you are thinking you are protecting your population when there is scientifically no added Covid threat from open borders.