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To think it’s dumb that international holidays are being encouraged in the middle of a pandemic

730 replies

Redolent · 27/06/2020 23:09

AIBU to think is probably the part of the coronavirus pandemic that will lead to WTF reactions in future history books? A world clinging desperately to its globalized ways and unwilling to countenance altering them even in the midst of a crisis like this.

European countries have just gone through months of brutal economic and social lockdowns, with the goal of suppressing the virus. They’ve just experienced, at a huge cost, what it’s like to have the virus slowly and imperceptibly land within their borders via air travel.

And yet, just as the virus starts circulating at low levels, they all decide to open up their borders to each other again, in these supposedly safe ‘air corridors’. Enroute to their destinations, their citizens flock to public transport, then to busy airports and planes, where they sit for hours in the midst of other passengers, then on to their destinations, where they mix with other citizens coming in from all over the world too, in social and alcohol-fuelled conditions. In the meantime, governments - like the UK - have vowed that any outbreaks in other countries will mean that returning tourists may have to suddenly quarantine for two weeks upon their return home. It’s a panicked and volatile strategy, subject to a monitoring of the spread of the virus in multiple other countries. Of course it’s bound to go wrong.

TLDR: close the borders. Internationalism can wait.

OP posts:
Meruem · 28/06/2020 02:33

I’m going to see much loved family If that’s ok with you? I’m not going to pubs, shops, beaches etc in this country. I have decided to take one risk, to see my family. Then I will be home and isolated again. So sorry F U. I am taking my one chance to see them as that is all I care about. People make their own choices on what they’re willing to risk and for who. You are not judge and jury over that.

LondonCaIIing · 28/06/2020 02:38

It makes you realise how broken capitalism is that so many people say "I have to risk people's lives... For the economy! If I try to save lives, we may put more at risk by not spending enough money!"

What a ridiculous system.

Pixxie7 · 28/06/2020 03:07

I think the government has completely lost control of the situation, they are trying to satisfy everyone. If people want to go away, I think their probably safer abroad than here if I am honest.

SailingAwayIntoSunrise · 28/06/2020 03:16

SIL has booked a holiday to Spain in September with a 6 mo and 2 yo for 2 weeks.

My mind just went 🤯

But it's not my decision to make, she's an adult and would have worked out what her risk level is with her family.

I'm in Australia and it's looking like I can't leave here until mid 2021.

And at the moment that suits me. No in or out feels like the right thing for us.

ilovesooty · 28/06/2020 04:01

@Pixxie7

I think the government has completely lost control of the situation, they are trying to satisfy everyone. If people want to go away, I think their probably safer abroad than here if I am honest.
I have no faith at all in this government. I agree that while I'm in a European country that handled the situation far better than ours I'll probably feel safer there.
DisobedientHamster · 28/06/2020 05:23

Oh, yawn! This is getting so tiresome. All these attempts to shame others, claim moral superiority, Oh, it's not safe, those others are morons, not as good as I am, no.

Blah blah. The fucking beaker people came to Kilmartin in Scotland from what looks like Western Germany thousands of years ago. A multi-strand necklace of Whitby jet was round in a thousands of year old kist in that region as well.

Some bastards were travelling there in time immortal.

Get over it, some people travel. Think they are 'dumb' all you like, they don't give a gram of fuck.

Middle of a pandemic, November, 2018, Armistice Day, streets bloody thronging all over the UK.

So stay home.

DisobedientHamster · 28/06/2020 05:26

@Meruem

I’m going to see much loved family If that’s ok with you? I’m not going to pubs, shops, beaches etc in this country. I have decided to take one risk, to see my family. Then I will be home and isolated again. So sorry F U. I am taking my one chance to see them as that is all I care about. People make their own choices on what they’re willing to risk and for who. You are not judge and jury over that.
Oh, please, don't even bother, just GO. In real life, no one gives a gram of fuck, honestly! I'm right out the door after you, might be staying a while.
malificent7 · 28/06/2020 06:05

Flights are dirt cheap at the moment...people have been cooped up and want ' normality' i get it.

Paddyclova · 28/06/2020 06:29

People are looking at government advice, scientists, guidelines, other countries policies, safety measures, economy etc and making a decision. Nobody is breaking any rules in going away. We have had travel cancelled for months and now it’s becoming safe enough to book. You can’t know that it’s asking for trouble when the statistics and official advice says otherwise. Look at all the mass gatherings the last few weeks - which ARE against the rules - the number of cases are still thankfully going down. They’ve pretty much crashed the economy to lock us down and try to get rid of this virus. I can’t see them risking opening up again if they didn’t reasonably think it would be ok. I may be very wrong but I think their talk of a second wave is to keep us vigilant. It would cost us massively to lockdown again. If I’m wrong, I’ll eat my sombrero Grin

EmperorCovidula · 28/06/2020 06:33

Perhaps they’ve just realised that they’ve failed to suppress it. It’s been months and it’s still going on. The last thing Europe needs right now is mass unemployment.

Parker231 · 28/06/2020 06:34

I am definitely travelling as I want to visit my family in Belgium. Looks like we won’t be able to see DH’s family in Canada and the US for some time. They all should be arriving in the UK next week for DT’s 21st party.

We’re going to France on holiday to visit friends. We’ll see less people there than a journey to work on the Tube. At the moment it’s safer Covid wise in the majority of European countries than staying in the UK.

edgeware · 28/06/2020 06:34

Well I’d like to see my family again at some point, is that ok with you?

daytripper28 · 28/06/2020 06:35

OP I completely agree with you.

Also - wasn't it great when the CO2 emissions went down during the world's lockdown. But hey, holidays and airline companies are vital to the economy so let's forget about global warming - again.

The human race does not seem to learn AT ALL. And yet we have so many intelligent scientists and people in our midst all agreeing what must be done and their advice is given lip service at best - I find it baffling.

daytripper28 · 28/06/2020 06:39

yes yes to what @LondonCaIIing said also

Ethelfleda · 28/06/2020 06:45

I agree disobedienthamster (great username, btw)

So much hand wringing about how it’s not safe but nobody ever seems to point to actual evidence to prove this claim.
I mean seriously, those bitching about people wanting to travel - exactly why do you think it is so unsafe? Are you experts?

weepingwillow22 · 28/06/2020 06:46

I think the time to be concerned about international travel was in February/March when the virus started to spread. Opening up our borders now should bring down our infection rate!

Hahabonk · 28/06/2020 06:51

‘Internationalism can wait’. Great, thanks for that: for those of us whose close families live in a different country, what are we supposed to do?

And for all those wanging on about ‘why can’t people support the british economy with a staycation’: given how much Coronavirus there is in the UK, I suspect most inter-European travel is a heck of a lot safer than, say, Londoners travelling to the Lake District and back.

Iamclearlyamug · 28/06/2020 06:54

And those of us who have partners abroad? We should just spend a year apart and get over it?

The death rate is actually only about 1%! This virus is going to be around until there’s vaccine, IF a vaccine is even found, how long do we wait? A year, 2 years, 5? The economy has to start again, like it or not money makes the world go round. I’m happy to take my chances

worzelsnurzel123 · 28/06/2020 06:54

@CoronaIsShit

YANBU! It’s like some sort of sick joke. Like the last 3 months were for nothing. Absolutely confuddled by it allHmm.

Will these holidays even be worth it? Bad enough queuing at home let alone on holiday. Will restaurants all be open as normal, swimming pools etc?

@CoronaIsShit not everyone will be going abroad to hotels with communal pools. We are going to private house and pool. Restaurants are open. In fact so are outdoor water parks
Coronabegone · 28/06/2020 06:54

I presume that those saying holiday on the UK missed the threads full of the Cornish saying no one was welcome?

No matter what people want to do, some people just don't want them to do it.

A number of people who likely did sod all pre COVID want to live their lives indoors with all doors and windows shut forever.

It can't be done, you need to get back to life.

1066vegan · 28/06/2020 06:55

I don't understand why people would want to be in an overcrowded airport or crammed together in an aeroplane or hotel while we are still in the middle of a pandemic. It would be safer if you were staying in a villa or with family but I'd feel very unsafe actually getting there.

What really amazes me is that so many countries who have far lower infection and death rates because they've handled the situation better than our government, are actually willing to let us in. I expected them to be worried about British tourists (especially ones living in England) bringing covid into their country.

My local mp, Huw Merriman, was on Channel 4 news last night, promoting foreign travel. He tacitly admitted that the Tories have fucked up by saying that tourists would have less chance of catching covid on holiday than they would of catching it here.

worzelsnurzel123 · 28/06/2020 06:59

@DisobedientHamster

Oh, yawn! This is getting so tiresome. All these attempts to shame others, claim moral superiority, Oh, it's not safe, those others are morons, not as good as I am, no.

Blah blah. The fucking beaker people came to Kilmartin in Scotland from what looks like Western Germany thousands of years ago. A multi-strand necklace of Whitby jet was round in a thousands of year old kist in that region as well.

Some bastards were travelling there in time immortal.

Get over it, some people travel. Think they are 'dumb' all you like, they don't give a gram of fuck.

Middle of a pandemic, November, 2018, Armistice Day, streets bloody thronging all over the UK.

So stay home.

@DisobedientHamster totally agree. There’s a kind of cat’s bum mouth crew, with a veneer of self righteousness and faux shock horror at work here. Underlying envy is at the root of some comments I’m sure.
GreenCoxing · 28/06/2020 07:07

YADNBU. My worry is people will get on planes with mild symptoms. You only have to think back to previous years:

“My kids vomited, but I’m sure they’ve just eaten to much/too excited so am I being unreasonable to go on holiday tomorrow?”

“My child has a few spots. I’m worried it could be chicken pox, but maybe it’s a few bites?”.

People will be selfish and put others at risk. Also people won’t get proper insurance provision, they will feel ill abroad, be worried about being lockdown for 2 weeks (which they can’t afford) so will get back on planes.

Also talking of the economy, the number of people who have refused to go back to work because “my work/school can’t enforce 2m between people”, but are now happily jumping on planes with no SD is shocking.

Bedroomdilemma · 28/06/2020 07:09

Surely the risk is greater to the other countries than it is to the UK, given England has the highest rates in Europe I believe, at the minute? So I think the countries accepting British tourists are crazy, but I’m not sure the risk to the British tourists themselves is much greater than thronging to a British beach (apart from having to go through an airport).

heyheyho · 28/06/2020 07:13

So what’s your ideas for saving the economy? We need money coming in. I bet you’d be the first to complain about austerity

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