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AIBU?

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To say I don't think schools will be back in September?

180 replies

Crockodoodle · 26/06/2020 21:13

In fact I don't think they will be fully back until Easter 2021.
I'm posting this now because I've enjoyed looking back at my Feb posts (under a different name) that predicted what was going to happen and loads of people saying I was barmy/lost the plot etc.
I've read loads of posts this week celebrating that kids will be going back in September. Gosh I do hope they are right, mine are going stir crazy and haven't learnt a thing, however I think it's all fantasy and come September it will be the same as now, keyworkers and at best the odd year group. Please vote IABU all schools will be back in Sept or IANBU most will still be at home. Then come September I will update this post and see who was right.

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cabinfever2 · 27/06/2020 08:29

I think total opposite . Gov are going to scrap 2m rule and all kids will be back in sept as they were back in March.

Lostnameperson · 27/06/2020 09:51

Gov are going to scrap 2m rule

Well, they already have. But they won’t scrap it completely, unless they make an exception for schools. It’s a key measure required to keep transmission under control.

Crockodoodle · 27/06/2020 09:56

@Lostnameperson @wentawaycameback my late night Friday posting may have been less thoughtout than usual due to wine but it certainly wasn't meant as gloating or goady (and certainly not a teacher bashing thread, it's the government that is responsible for the chaos with broken promises and unclear guidelines. A post about schools does not equate to teacher bashing)
I have not enjoyed being right, but the horrendous vitriol that was aimed at me and many others in February when we dared to break ranks with the governments spin on it has made for interesting reading. By looking back it's clear how the government were lying to us and completely incapable and I do not see how this sudden announcement that all schools will be back is workable.

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SueEllenMishke · 27/06/2020 09:57

If they don't go back then the the government need to think about working parents.
Women are already going to be disproportionately impacted in terms of work and careers. It will be a disaster if this continues beyond September.
That's not to say I've not taken this seriously but the current situation isn't sustainable.

Crockodoodle · 27/06/2020 10:00

I agree, I will lose my job if they don't go back as will many others. Interesting/terrifying the pp who said about media manipulation.

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Spied · 27/06/2020 10:03

Death toll will be growing at an extortionate rate. Schools won't be back for any but keyworkers' DC.
Sad

greentreesdream · 27/06/2020 10:04

I think so as well cabin, although I’m hoping open evenings, parents evenings etc won’t be going ahead.

gallbladderpain · 27/06/2020 10:28

It may well be the case that a lot of the children are very young or have underlying health conditions but children are getting infected with it even if asymptomatic which means there will be spread in schools. And this could be asymptomatic spread until it reaches someone's house who has an underlying health condition or a sibling brings it home to their newborn baby
So I think it's probably reasonable to be cautious about the return of schools and phasing back until they know the full effects this will have

Bollss · 27/06/2020 10:34

@Spied

Death toll will be growing at an extortionate rate. Schools won't be back for any but keyworkers' DC. Sad
What makes you think that?
Leodot · 27/06/2020 11:44

@CallmeAngelina

Obviously I can’t say it’s 100% safe, absolutely no-one can, we’ve never faced this before and we just don’t know. You’ve obviously decided you think I’m wrong and idiotic with your “is it because Boris told you” comment. I’m not interested in changing your mind or arguing with you. I’m simply saying what I think the government will do and why I support it.

We’ve been going in with keyworker children since lockdown began. At least with the bubbles, it’s the same adult and same children every day. It wasn’t for key workers children as we were on a rota (as were most schools) so it was multiple adults mixing within the same groups of kids over the space of a week. Group sizes were much larger than bubbles are now, as the bubble of 15 guidance didn’t exist at the start of lockdown. There hasn’t been a single case of a child catching it at my school and I think only a handful of schools across the country have actually had to shut because of a confirmed outbreak. A couple of members of staff have had it but they could have caught it anywhere. A lot of us still have spouses or adult children that live at home and have been working throughout and most of us have had to leave the house for food shopping at some point, so the virus could have been transmitted anywhere. I don’t see how the risk of infection is much higher than other jobs and it’s a lot less than the NHS workers who are actively dealing with positive patients. We just kept very good hygiene and tried to social distance as much as possible with the older ones and just kept hand washing and cleaning with the younger ones, for whom socially distancing is virtually impossible.

We have now been back in our bubbles for a month, with close to 150 children from different year groups and virtually all staff. Again, everyone is absolutely fine. Of course I can’t guarantee that they will all stay fine but I think it’s a positive indicator for a wider opening in September. We have to try to get our children back into school. Like I said in my earlier post, restricting mass gatherings in schools like assembly and lunchtimes is probably sensible for the autumn term (maybe longer) and continuing with staggered starts and finishes as it reduces unnecessary parental contact at the gates but I think children need to be back in school.

Education is a social construct. What they know isn’t necessarily that important as it’s humans who dictate which body of knowledge children should acquire by what age. That can be adapted. The curriculum is constantly being adapted! In the last 8 years I’ve seen two new curriculums; EYFS in 2012 and KS1 and KS2 in 2014. The reception baseline assessment and new EYFS curriculum are apparently coming in in 2021 now instead of this September. My point is that education is constantly changing. What is irreplaceable though is the sense of routine and comfort children get from school, the social interactions and opportunities for them to develop their social skills, and the chance for schools to support families and their children. School is more than just textbook learning. It’s an institution that helps to raise and nurture children alongside their parents. I’ve seen how my children have clearly found it challenging being away even though I know some of those parents have been brilliant at doing all the weekly work we send home and have been making this as positive an experience as it can be. Even though we’ve been having phone calls and email conversations with families, it’s not the same. The children whose parents have been unable to do the work with them or who I know have stressful home lives have really regressed. We need our children back in school and at this moment in time, I don’t think the threat posed from corona is enough to justify keeping them off. Obviously I’m prepared to eat my words if everything goes totally tits up in a few weeks but I don’t know for certain if it will and neither do you. I understand people’s anxieties. Initially I felt the same but now that I’m back working full time I’m not anxious. I think it’s a big mindset shift. People need to learn how to leave the house and start interacting with others again as most of us have had the fear of god put into us by this awful virus and we need to slowly start releasing that fear and re-entering society. Some of us that are working and have been working for months, are further into that journey than others.

Buzzfrightyears · 27/06/2020 11:47

No one knows and speculating just leads people to feel uneasy/panic.

NeverTwerkNaked · 27/06/2020 16:23

@Buzzfrightyears surely it's better to be prepared for lockdowns than be taken by surprise

FizzFan · 27/06/2020 16:29

Children’s education is now as much of an emergency as health. Utter nonsense if they are not back, in full, after the holidays.

Crockodoodle · 27/06/2020 20:37

Havr you seen the Times, they don't forsee secondary going back full time in September

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greentreesdream · 27/06/2020 20:38

They’ll be back, stop stressing

YgritteSnow · 27/06/2020 20:53

Why do you think that @Spied? Genuine question.

FudgeBrownie2019 · 27/06/2020 20:59

We're in the fortunate position that if they don't go back, our jobs can continue remotely for a considerable period. I don't think many families can say that, and for that reason alone I think schools will be back.

I don't think it's necessarily the safest choice, but I think it's the only choice the Government can make because the alternative is unthinkable in terms of job losses.

Mostpeculiar · 27/06/2020 21:30

What was the score with those schools in Leicester this week?

DuckALaurent · 27/06/2020 21:35

@Realityofsen

They will be regardless of the virus. They will just start doing more to keep the virus out of the news so people are less aware and kids will be back fully as if nothing happened.
I agree with this. Just like we’re not seeing much about how other countries are doing now so we can’t compare too much.
wherestheotherone · 27/06/2020 21:54

Yabu. Society can't work if schools don't go back and the impact on our economy will be far worse on a lot more people than the risk of Covid.

Schools will be back, cases might rise and nightingale hospitals will be opened up.

Hopefully we will have treatments by then.

Llamazoom · 27/06/2020 21:54

Sadly I think you could be right op, I think all schools will open with the best of intentions come September but it all going to shit by October half term. I am not in any way, shape or form a dementor, I can’t wait for everything to open next week, I have a reservation booked at our favourite restaurant, hair appointment booked etc but I think we are going to be in for a hell of a winter this year, local lockdowns, school closures and sadly many more deaths. I will make sure I look back on this thread as you said you will do and I hope to god my predictions are wrong and the virus burns itself out.

User24689 · 28/06/2020 12:20

@gallbladderpain well yes, we already knew, from day one, that it was possible for children to catch it, though it is a rare occurrence. As for asymptomatic transmission, the who have said this appears to be very rare and in fact there is not yet one proven case of it happening. Even discounting all of that, the fact they might catch it isn't a reason to (mis)quote studies out of context that don't really offer much support the point you're making.

Of course it is physically possible for children to catch it. But when 0.19 percent of the people in my county have the disease you'd have to try pretty hard to even find someone walking around with it. If my kids even managed to catch it from someone there is then a 0.6 percent chance of it being fatal? Come on. Should we deny children their education on those odds?

ilovesooty · 28/06/2020 12:25

Well according to Johnson today it will be compulsory for all registered pupils to be in attendance in September.

Educationwhateducation · 28/06/2020 12:29

@Spied

Death toll will be growing at an extortionate rate. Schools won't be back for any but keyworkers' DC. Sad
Fuck me! Cheer up love
Coffeekisses · 28/06/2020 12:31

Great, great post from @Leodot. Completely agree with every word of it.