To say I don't think schools will be back in September?

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In fact I don't think they will be fully back until Easter 2021.
I'm posting this now because I've enjoyed looking back at my Feb posts (under a different name) that predicted what was going to happen and loads of people saying I was barmy/lost the plot etc.
I've read loads of posts this week celebrating that kids will be going back in September. Gosh I do hope they are right, mine are going stir crazy and haven't learnt a thing, however I think it's all fantasy and come September it will be the same as now, keyworkers and at best the odd year group. Please vote IABU all schools will be back in Sept or IANBU most will still be at home. Then come September I will update this post and see who was right.

We will have additional staff and some of our teachers who work part time are willing to work full time temporarily. It’s a financial nightmare but we’re determined to make it work whilst also taking into account the well-being of our teaching staff.

My school can barely afford permanent teachers for each classroom as it is-we have classes covered by supply and HLTAs part time-sharing with permanent job shares.

There is no way we could duplicate all classes to have one slot running in the morning and then a different teacher in the afternoon.

We have several classes where the teachers job share. Those staff have agreed to work either five mornings or afternoons for a temporary basis. We have 2 year groups with only 15 and 17 pupils each so they won’t need splitting. We will also have to employ additional staff.

@SewingWarriorQueen76

Well as the slightest sniffle might shut down a pod/ bubble for 2 weeks at a time. Probably.

Lockdown was lifted because there is now space in ICU for those who will need it.

No. That's not how it works. My ds is back now in a bubble. He got tonsillitis last week. I realised at 6pm he had a fever. He had been tested at the local testing centre by 7.30pm the same day. The results were back- negative- by mid afternoon the following day. The only reason he missed more than a day of school was because he wasn't well enough. None of the other kids in the bubble were affected, because he didn't test positive.

@Letseatgrandma I know it’s a nightmare. The head was saying this week that he lies awake at night worrying about the children and his staff.

Interested that this seems to relate to bubbles of 30 children. KS2 classes inDC's school have 32 children per class, so not sure how that will work.

They surely have to be back in September,
don't they? I'm not convinced they will remain all term but at least need to start that way.

Not entirely sure 'the science' will support it but someone needs to plan something for children.

I agree that someone needs to plan something

I obviously as said up thread don't believe they will go back to 'normal' full time schooling in September but i am not against the return to full time normal schooling either for the children. Mine won't attend due to underlying health conditions and there will be quite a few children i'm sure who will be in a similar position but that doesn't mean that I don't think there should be a focus on children's education for the majority

What isn't acceptable is to come out and make promises about school returning such as the promises made at the end of May and then to drop them again at the last minute with absolutely no notice !

I disagree. By this time next week, our school will have welcomed back R to Y8, a phased returned which began on June 1. Y10 and 12 are back one day a week and continue online lessons when not in school (difficulty being the different subjects for different students). Y9s as soon possible.
We can't be the only ones.

We have several classes where the teachers job share. Those staff have agreed to work either five mornings or afternoons for a temporary basis

So do we,,and our job shares would be happy to increase days temporarily. There is simply not a bean in the budget though. I’m just amazed your school can do this.

For clarity I disagree with the OP, not the poster above mine.

@Pipandmum my daughter is in year one and hasn't even got a date to go back yet

Children are the very least effected. The more evidence comes out, the more this is supported.

If nothing else goes back, children should be back at school. We can do without some shops, pubs etc, but it's incredibly low risk for kids and they desperately need to go back.

The government is not listening to proper scientific advice on anything though so who knows what will actually happen

I wish I could say the OP is mad but I am not sure...

From what I have heard so far, it sounds like there are already some private schools that are planning a part time return in September for some year groups.

When schools closed back in March I really thought the whole situation would be resolved in a couple of months. I was rather mistaken.

I suspect that it will largely be full time in September.
Because education.
Because childcare for the economy.
Because parental demand. Part-time is logistically problematic to families and timetabling.

There may be localised disruption to the bubbles or even whole school in the event of specific outbreaks.

The DC's school is working towards all years, full time as plan A with optomism.

I think your right this country dies kit see the value in education and therefore it is not important for re opening I can take them to a theme park because it costs money but not a school!

The only thing that will act as a pressure in my mind is increasingly those without kids are realising they would rather the kids are back at school. Why are teenagers at the park? Why are families at the beach? Bridgade are interesting as the child hating and parents will have something in common as we both want my kids back at school although for different reasons..that pressure from more traditional older prole who want their national trust properties and garden centres back to themselves may prove in strange Allie in my in going quest in thinking that we need to educate our nation!

OP it’s got to be said, in fact I’m surprised we’re 4 pages in without it being mentioned, the tone of your post is absolutely appalling.

You’ve “enjoyed” looking back at post from February where you say you predicted this whole calamity? Yeah, lots of us quietly started buying school supplies for home, in the sincere hope we wouldn’t ever have to use them, but we’re certainly not all on here boasting about it.

You come across as somehow relishing this awful situation as you were right all along. It’s nothing more than macabre self indulgence.

Please don’t go to the trouble of updating us in September.

@gallbladderpain Just read the findings of the GOSH study and think that's a bit of a misleading post tbh.

Out of 580 children, 25% of them had pre-existing conditions to start with. 8% of them had ICU admission (not 1 in 10) and actually only 4% required ventilation. Only 4 children died so that's a .6 fatality rate when a quarter of the sample has pre-existing conditions.

Among main risk factors for ICU admission were the pre-existing conditions and being less than one month old.

I don't really think this is a study you can quote as evidence that covid is particularly dangerous for children.

Aside from all the above, it is really important to remember they had to find 500 kids who actually HAD covid. Not an easy task. This wasn't just any 500 kids. It has been stated time and again that children are very unlikely to actually catch the disease in the first place and it is increasingly apparent that they don't seem to easily spread it either.

@lostnameperson

Agree. Op Sounds like a bit of a smug tool.
I bought my sons year 6 maths book in March JUST IN CASE

I would be devastated if schools were not back properly in September

It seems that the OP posted quite late on a Friday evening and then sat back to see what would happen...just another teacher/school/scaremongering thread. The OP did allude to the fact that she/he indulged in scaremongering at the beginning of the pandemic.

I hope they come back really soon. 2021 is far far away..

They’ll definitely be back. The government will scrap social distancing to make sure schools can function as normal. They will slowly tone down how much focus the press give to Covid (which they have already started to do). People will start to forget about it and we’ll just go back to normal.

The 8% does seem at odds with reports on the rarity of severe illness

“We already know that a very small number of children can become severely ill with Covid-19 but this is very rare. Evidence from throughout the world shows us that children appear to be the part of the population least affected by this infection.“

This was back when Kawasaki disease was in the news The Guardian

There are estimated to be 4.5 cases for every 100,000 children under the age of 18 in the UK. “These cases happen when someone with Kawasaki disease gets Covid-19 and that produces complications,” said one NHS source.

What is the overall picture? I couldn’t find stats on how many children severely ill in hospital v adults by age.

[quote upthewolves]@gallbladderpain Just read the findings of the GOSH study and think that's a bit of a misleading post tbh.

Out of 580 children, 25% of them had pre-existing conditions to start with. 8% of them had ICU admission (not 1 in 10) and actually only 4% required ventilation. Only 4 children died so that's a .6 fatality rate when a quarter of the sample has pre-existing conditions.

Among main risk factors for ICU admission were the pre-existing conditions and being less than one month old.

I don't really think this is a study you can quote as evidence that covid is particularly dangerous for children.

Aside from all the above, it is really important to remember they had to find 500 kids who actually HAD covid. Not an easy task. This wasn't just any 500 kids. It has been stated time and again that children are very unlikely to actually catch the disease in the first place and it is increasingly apparent that they don't seem to easily spread it either.[/quote]
Who had covid AND were unwell enough to be admitted to hospital with it.

This is a sub sample and does not include the vast majority of children who had covid with mild or no symptoms. The data from this does not represent anything except a tiny subset of ill children.

I work in secondary school and we are planning for a full return in September. We have Y10/12 in at the moment and it's going well. My son is Y1 and he is back, along with Y6 and keyworker/vulnerable children. Also going well.

Cases are still on a downward trend. 3 days below 1000 this week,I day very slightly above 1000. One day of 1118 but the same day the previous week saw circa 1350 so a definite downward trend. Hopefully this will continue.

Things are reopening but carefully. Social distancing etc. In place and I do think generally people are still being careful.

Yes, we have had a couple of days of 'packed beaches' but transmission outside is significantly less than inside. The chances of that causing a massive 2nd spike is minimal really.

I think for the sake of the children,they should go back in September if cases etc. Continue on the downward trend. My son has really benefitted from going back to school.

Very true @knobchops. It's frustrating when posters quote these stats with absolutely no context or understanding of the sample and use them to back up their own opinions or stir up fear

This situation is completely unsustainable for both the children and the parents,. My sons school have said if SD is still 1m then they can only offer 2 days a week at school in September, full time only if SD dropped completely. I agree there will be chaos if schools do not open fully regardless of the virus situation, this is damaging to everyones mental health, wellbeing and our childrens education. I cant even think about him not going back in September without getting massive anxiety!