to be angry they are showing Jonty Braverys photo?

[calpolatdawn]

He clearly wanted the notoriety, his face should never have been shown, its was extremely pre meditated. Also identifying him as Autistic first dangerously mentally ill second 🙄 apparently experts have diagnosed his callousness points more to psychopathy than autism, no shit sherlock

Yep he will be lapping this up. Dangerous individual who has no place in society imo

i heard the recording taken in 2015,, tbe carers recorded, i feel for his parents they weren't notified of it. had a history of violence against his female carers aswell, what a shocker!

Yanbu - it’s a bit like terrorists.
I always think they should be categorised as pathetic little Impotent cowards As they want glamour and notoriety.

And totally agree about the autism aspect. It’s far more significant that he’s a psychopath and unfortunately the focus on his autism may lead to more discrimination and misunderstanding.

A week before it happened I was on that balcony, with child, looking at the skyline and the nearby post flats with dolls house upscale furnishing.

I'm not sure I can go back.

I can't envisage a time when I'd ever want him out again.

.. posh flats...

i dont think i can either that poor boy and his family

I feel the same OP. All the reports say he did it because he wanted to be famous why are they giving him what he wanted

I still have a horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach when I think of what happened. That poor boy and his family.

There is always an excuse for male violence. Always. Disgusting but not unexpected.

What? Who?

Can we hold people responsible for what their mental illness makes them do?

I partly see it as another failure of our Mental health services. It's looking like the stabbing in Richmond is another.

My DD runs residential units for adults with a complex diagnosis. They have to fight to get one-on-ones, or two-on-ones, sometimes it takes an incident. She's had residents end up in Broadmoor and Rampton, because they were let down.

This is a 17 year old who has been allowed to fall through the system and this is the consequence.

@TerrorWig, you don't think mental health issues exist then?

It's really easy to believe you have enough knowledge of a case via media reports to make strong sweeping judgements about it, but honestly, having been involved through work in cases that gained an enormous amount of media attention, you don't. And the people who do are of course bound by professional standards and cannot jump in to all the online conversations and give the actual facts, which is bloody frustrating.

The likelihood is that he'll be detained on a 37/41 and remain in secure services for a very, very long time.

I think there are serious issues around cuts in care services and privatising them which need to be looked into. Until we have an adequate care system for the mentally ill there will be regular repeats of this horrific incident.

I wish we'd have sensible discussions about what we do with children who are seriously mentally ill, or have other diagnosis, which make them violent.

Rather than witch hunts.

I thought the same @Ponoka7

He’s obviously mentally unwell. I suspect he’ll be placed into a psychiatric hospital for the duration of his sentence.

He was angry that no one would believe he was a threat to society and instead placed him back into the community. To prove them wrong he carried out the action that he said he would, that no one believed he was capable of. If you follow that psychologically damaged thought pattern it then makes sense that he was very pleased with himself afterwards. He obviously feels no empathy for the victim or the victims family because he is mentally ill.

They should show a photo of whoever made the decision that this very dangerous and severely ill man should be taken on a trip like this.

how is it a witch hunt? its quite obvious his photo should not have been shown, due to his want for notoriety, there are hige problems with detainment of young, at least he was, allowed out. i feel more sorry for ASD adults who are barbaricly detained in cells with no quality of life.

"i feel more sorry for ASD adults who are barbaricly detained in cells with no quality of life"

Rather than a child needing a high level of support, who has been left to reach a point were he will lose his liberty?

This is a case of a very mentally unwell child, whose been neglected by everyone in his life.

It was in the public's interest to show his picture.

"They should show a photo of whoever made the decision that this very dangerous and severely ill man should be taken on a trip like this."

That^, accept he wasn't even a man, he was a minor. This neglect had been going on when he was a child in care.

He has serious mental illness. He was known to have serious mental illness by those who were dealing with him. This is a really complex case and not as easy as 'don't show his face, it's what he wanted'. He said what he wanted to do and no action was taken to deal with it. His parents weren't even told.

I think we need to look at these cases and learn from them. Cuts to services for psychiatric care create real dangers and this case highlights that.

I don't think they should be showing his picture because he is a vulnerable individual. Do you seriously think that someone with serious mental health issues like him is now sitting back gleefully because he is in the paper? This is a tragic case for all concerned and doesn't need media mawkishness

Right up until they released his photo, it was being alleged on SM that the attacker was 'obviously' Muslim and that it was further evidence of a deliberate coverup (+/- by Sadiq Khan) for a different type of terrorist attack.

So they didn't really have a choice.

He was smiling, and asking the police officers if he'd be on the news, no his photo should not have been shown. theres a reason its considered morally wrong people like that enjoy the notoriety and yes absolutely terrible failures by carers, he had a history of violence against them and was let out alone.

@CountreeGurl totally agree

@calpolatdawn

Would your suggestion be then that any austic teenager with a history of violence never be allowed out alone? That the remain locked up for the rest of their lives on the off chance?

It's a sad case all round. I don't think he can truly be held responsible for his actions - they are a result of mental illness and should have been caught. It's sad for him, his family, the victim and the victims family.