to be angry they are showing Jonty Braverys photo?

[calpolatdawn]

He clearly wanted the notoriety, his face should never have been shown, its was extremely pre meditated. Also identifying him as Autistic first dangerously mentally ill second 🙄 apparently experts have diagnosed his callousness points more to psychopathy than autism, no shit sherlock

@calpolatdawn

He was smiling, and asking the police officers if he'd be on the news, no his photo should not have been shown. theres a reason its considered morally wrong people like that enjoy the notoriety and yes absolutely terrible failures by carers, he had a history of violence against them and was let out alone.

“....people like that enjoy the notoriety...’

People like what? Honestly OP you’re coming across as a bit hard of thinking. He is not some maniacal serial killer in some bloody movie. He’s a mentally ill young man who has committed a horrendous act because he is very very ill.

I can remember Care in the Community being brought in and all the psychiatric hospitals being shut and the land sold off for housing. The aim of the project was a worthy one but terribly flawed sadly as the funding just isn’t there for the care needed and many mental ill individuals do not take their medicine.

I wish we'd have sensible discussions about what we do with children who are seriously mentally ill, or have other diagnosis, which make them violent.

Rather than witch hunts.

My thoughts exactly.

"He is not some maniacal serial killer in some bloody movie. He’s a mentally ill young man who has committed a horrendous act because he is very very ill."
This young man had been googling whether to rape or kill, whether to drown someone or chuck someone off a building. He googled how to do it to so that he achieved the most notoriety and he googled to find out whether the autustic can get away without going to prison.

He may or may not be mentally ill but he clearly has insight to be able to plan and carry out his appalling acts. He has no remorse so could be a psychopath (as many "maniacal serial killers" are). There is no cure for psychopathy so we cannot blame MH services for that (although IME generally MH services are poor).

You cannot treat all mental illnesses. Is a psychopath mentally ill or is it another term for an evil person?

Thankfully he has just been sentenced to 15 years in prison so, at least we don't have to worry about him doing it again for years.

That poor child and his family. I just hope he fully recovers in time.

Would your suggestion be then that any austic teenager with a history of violence never be allowed out alone?
Do the autistic generally suffer with psychosis, with them feeling they are being instructed to kill others as was the case with Monty Bravery?

What are the reasons behind autistic people becoming violent?

MB may have been very ill mentally or could have just been a person who carried out evil acts. Couldn't being autustic be a secondary issue which he just planned to use as an excuse for avoiding prison?

**This young man had been googling whether to rape or kill, whether to drown someone or chuck someone off a building. He googled how to do it to so that he achieved the most notoriety and he googled to find out whether the autustic can get away without going to prison.

He may or may not be mentally ill but he clearly has insight to be able to plan and carry out his appalling acts. He has no remorse so could be a psychopath (as many "maniacal serial killers" are). There is no cure for psychopathy so we cannot blame MH services for that (although IME generally MH services are poor). ** Ladies and Gentlemen..... a brain. Many people with serious mental illness have no wish to murder, i was raised partly by a paranoid schizophrenic did some terrible things but would never consider that. And im getting annoyed how he is apparently Autistic first, psychopathic second .

Why are people focusing on the Autistic? its not a condition that makes you inherently murderous. ASD isn't a MH issue! is a neurological difference. it wasn't the point at hand anyway.

@Ponoka7 of course mental health illnesses exist. Autism is not a mental health illness, it is a neurological difference. No idea what mental illness he suffers from and I don’t especially care - my point is that in reporting, the passive voice is almost always used and the description of their illnesses almost always comes before anything else. See also: descriptions of ‘pillars of the community’ husbands who murder their wives.

Different circumstances of course, but advice regarding mass shootings is always to limit tv coverage and never refer to the perpetrator by name or with a photo as they want the notoriety. But it still happens. And has happened here.

You don't think he should be shown or talked about so you make a post to talk about him? Ok then....

So he is your regular or common garden sociopath then? Well at least he’s got a diagnosis. That’s a psychiatric illness no?

It's too difficult to get mental health support for children and young people. When I worked in paediatrics my heart sank if I ever had to process a mental health referral There was so much fobbing off and it was such a slow process, parents would call in desperation and I'd be unable to give them any idea of when something might actually happen for their child. It's dreadful.

Do the autistic generally suffer with psychosis, with them feeling they are being instructed to kill others as was the case with Monty Bravery?

Jonty admitted lying about hearing voices. It appears he acted of his own volition. Whether he was ‘in right mind’, I don’t know, but he was pretending to have heard voices.

I agree that the psychopathy is the main thing not the autism.

i do have a massive amount of sympathy for his parents.

I wonder how the parents of his victim feel? He has absolutely devastated the world of another family on purpose to highlight his own plight.

I have been involved with people with serious MH issues. Some have been sectioned multiple times. Studies have shown that most people who suffer psychosis are more likely to be the victims of crimes than the perpetrators. They can be treated and live full lives in society.

Psychopaths, on the other hand are a different kettle of fish.

"Jonty admitted lying about hearing voices. It appears he acted of his own volition. Whether he was ‘in right mind’, I don’t know, but he was pretending to have heard voices."
Thank you for that info. I didn't realise that.

It’s possible to feel sympathy for both his parents and his victim’s parents.

I just a headline from the Independent pop up on my phone that said “Autistic Teenager Jailed”. I have more of a problem his autism being mentioned as a primary motivator than his I have with his picture being published. As others have pointed out, he is mentally ill, and he also happens to be autistic. Autism is not a mental illness in itself.

So it’s MH services fault and not his. Hmm convenient so he doesn’t need to take responsibility for his actions. As someone else has said there is no cure for psychopathy. He’s definitely 37/41 material so the MOJ will be keeping him in their sights

Thank you for that info. I didn't realise that

No problem 😊 It was fresh in my mind because I’d read it this morning.

I find it interesting that he was jailed rather than sent to a psych hospital. I personally don’t feel that his mental illness meant he couldn’t help it. I think he did what he wanted to do and made a choice.

My main thoughts are with the little boy and his family. My heart aches for them and I hope the little boy can overcome his injuries as much as possible with time.

@BreatheAndFocus mental health hospital would be a bit of waste of time for his diagnosis. Plus with the nature of the offence then prison is way more appropriate

I didn't know his name until it was promoted on here. Whatever argument you have against his photo being shown on the news, it also applies to creating this thread and the resultant discussion.

My point is, even if it's "what he wants", doesn't necessarily mean it shouldn't happen anyway.

I can’t believe some people are here are justifying what he did as a failure of the metal health system. Sickening

He has a personality disorder not a mental illness. A PD is a mental disorder not an illness.

Psychopathy is NOT a mental ILLNESS

I'm re-posting this from a thread about the Reading stabbings, becauseit seems relevantto some PP comments on this thread:

*I used to be friends with someone with EUPD and depression, and a self diagnosis of PTSD. He's also been convicted of spitting at police officers in the past when resisting arrest.

We fell out when I disagreed that his last-ditch plans were reasonable; he felt that because he wasn't getting the mental health support he needed, he would be justified in going and stabbing someone random.

Apparently the idea was that he'd probably get appropriate help in prison; also he decided that everyone would be horrified by the lack of mental health support available to people with his diagnoses, which would lead to the entire mental health system would be reformed.*

Since posting about him, I've been really worrying about whether I should report this to someone; I do know that he told all his mental health support team that he would carry his plan out if they wouldn't support him in the way he wanted, so I guess it's all on record anyway.

Whatever the situation re Jonty Braver y .He is a very damaged individual IMO! That poor little boy and his family FFS! Why does it matter if he is in prison for a long time ,the poor innocent child has a life sentence of pain and disability to face him all his life! Why are so many of these people allowed to walk the streets ?! Yes I may feel sorry for his parents but not as sorry as the poor french couple !