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The beach down south/bbc news tonight

427 replies

Milssofadoesntreallyfit · 25/06/2020 22:20

I'm mean, yes I want things back to normal BUT I am still concerned in case we get a spike again. I agree we all need to be careful BUT clearly all these people just thought F* it.
All we've put up with so far with lock down and it seems every one on the beach in question decided to piss it into the wind.

If I were the government I would think I couldn't trust people to use sense at all and put lockdown back in place until either a vaccination or until people realised that if they want lockdown relaxed then they need to prove they can be trusted to show a bit of caution.

Rant over.

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DontMakeMeShushYou · 25/06/2020 23:07

YABU - I am a big fan of herd immunity, clearly I am not alone

Perhaps it would be best to understand a concept before you become a big fan of it.

Currently there is no vaccine so no herd immunity to be developed through that route. There is also no evidence yet that contracting and recovering from Covid-19 provides immunity from further infections.

morethanafortnight · 25/06/2020 23:07

this is entirely, 100%, the fault of the conservative government

You mean they encouraged half a million people to leave over 50 tons of rubbish on a beach, to abuse local officials trying to empty bins, and to shit in people's gardens?

Wow.

iwishiwasonhol · 25/06/2020 23:08

as someone who works in a supermarket ,im more worried than I was at the start of all of this,as customers as rolling their eyes when i remind them to stand at the end of the checkout ,hey if you wanna do my job for 3 months and I can go to the beach and be paid 80% your can

PickAChew · 25/06/2020 23:09

YABU for acting as though Bournemouth is a random place no one has ever heard of.

It's always busy, apparently, so today's events aren't unexpected.

Notcontent · 25/06/2020 23:10

I don’t live near the beach but i live near a park and the problem is so bad that the council actually had to put up notices telling people not to use people’s gardens as toilets!!! Not that anyone is paying any attention to the notices. And the rubbish is terrible - I feel like I am living next to a landfill site.

Coronabegone · 25/06/2020 23:10

The second wave was coming after

VE Day - it didn't
People flocking to Cornwall - it didn't
People flocking to London parks - it didn't
People flocking to Primark - it didn't
People attending BLM rallies - it didn't
Far right rallies - it didn't (mores the fucking pity some of them didn't get it )

It's not going to happen after Bournemouth either!

verybritishproblems · 25/06/2020 23:12

Yes they’re idiots but legal idiots. The government have allowed this. It’ll be the same when the pubs open, bars will be packed and they’ll be idiots too, but again not doing anything wrong?

letmethinkaboutitfornow · 25/06/2020 23:12

@DontMakeMeShushYou

There is also no evidence yet that contracting and recovering from Covid-19 provides immunity from further infections.

There is also no evidence for the contrary ☺️

(Btw, I don’t think herd immunity will eliminate CV, it’s here to stay probably with 😷 flu and its seasonality)

Ilovemypantry · 25/06/2020 23:12

@Notcontent

It’s actually really horrible everywhere at the moment. People are not at work, not at school, the sun is out - every park, street, and beach seems to be full of people drinking, playing loud music, shouting, etc.

Sorry - I am not anti people having fun, but all this anti social behaviour is just not on.

You’re right Notcontent....it’s like one big extended holiday for a lot of people, kids off school, parents not at work on full/nearly full pay. What’s not to like (oh, apart from the fact that there’s a world pandemic on).
Jaxhog · 25/06/2020 23:12

People are stupid yes, but this is entirely, 100%, the fault of the conservative government.

Nope. This is entirely the fault of the people who did this! Next, you'll be saying that crime is entirely the fault of the police!

AllTheWhoresOfMalta · 25/06/2020 23:13

I don’t blame people. It makes me cross, but I don’t blame them. Boris and this shitshow of a government brought this on by sending such mixed messages over what people can and can’t do and treating a selected few people with entirely double standards. People are bored and off work and school and absolutely sick of the same Groundhog Day they’ve had for months, they’re trying to entertain themselves. This is all on Johnson and the Cummings debacle in my opinion. Even the most sensible decided to throw in the towel of lockdown after that.

Coronabegone · 25/06/2020 23:16

@DontMakeMeShushYou what research is there that says people don't have immunity?? None as far as I'm aware apart from the little thing that it doesn't seem to be happening anywhere!

PenelopePitstop49 · 25/06/2020 23:16

You're fighting a losing battle. People will know or suspect they have Covid, but will still "have" to go shopping/see people/go to work because rules don't apply to them.

Like Norovirus. There is a daily thread on here in winter about someone sending their kids back to school/nursery because they can't have time off. Yet if everyone kept to the rule, the virus wouldn't spread.

People are just thick, if you ask me.

Mintychoc1 · 25/06/2020 23:17

I’m guessing quite a lot of people there were school age kids, who should have been allowed to stay at school.

Msmcc1212 · 25/06/2020 23:19

letmethinkaboutitfornow

NB: General MNs: if you experience health related anxiety or have experienced health related trauma, you may not want to read this.

letmethinkaboutitfornow You need to read on and wise up!

So. You’re a fan of herd immunity?

That means you are also a fan of thousands of unnecessary, early deaths with thousands left grieving and traumatised because they couldn’t say goodbye to their loved ones. A fan of children being orphaned - with no one willing to take them in incase they are infectious. A fan of huge amounts of people falling incredibly ill and being left with, trauma, lung damage and chronic fatigue. A fan of putting such enormous strain on the NHS and it’s workers that they, if they don’t die, are left exhausted, traumatised and unable to work and healthcare has to be severely rationed.

This is the reality. This is the reality of a global pandemic and C-19. I Personally know people that have had it and it’s been ok but difficult. I personally know (young) people that felt they were dying at the time (for several days) but got through it. I personally know people that two months down the line are having days off work with post viral issues. Professionally? I also see first hand the impact on families who have lost loved ones and the staff who look after them.

Just stop and take a look at reports of the lived experience of this illness for those who get it severely. Talk to an ICU medic about the after effects of being ventilated that take months, if not years, of rehabilitation to get over. Talk to a grieving relative who is in the raw stages of losing someone. Do this and then come back here and say you are a ‘fan’ of herd immunity.

Do you know what love and loss feel like? Do you know what severe c-19 feels like?
Do you have any scientific or medical expertise?

Do you know what it feels like to not be able to breathe: the panic, the helplessness and the knowledge that the ambulance might not get to you in time and if they do you still might not make it? the fear that you may be in the bracket of people that are unlikely to benefit from Ventilation and so you will have to accept your time is up - but it could have been different for you if some selfish @“%%#{s had just stayed the fk home?!

Herd immunity would be great if this was a cold or mild flu but it isn’t. Autopsies from Italy have said that the lungs of some of those that died from C-19 are barely recognisable as lungs. It’s not just the impact of the disease either it’s the immune systems response that can be catastrophic.

Please stop spouting on about herd immunity unless you are some kind of world renowned epidemiologist at the top of your game, it is dangerous.

And don’t get me started on the impact of this Government!

There, rant over. Sorry. Didn’t know that was going to all come out but once I started I couldn’t stop.

Oh. And I asked my friend who has had it (didn’t need hospitalisation and didn’t get too ill, but two months on, has to go to bed to rest and gets breathless climbing stairs (40’s and previously fit and healthy) - whether she agreed that I should just accept I’ll get it and that I’m in a low category in terms of risk of death so I should just not worry too much. I said I’d rather get it in summer than winter. She said whatever you can do to not get it please do. It’s awful. She said she feels like an 80 year old. Even going for a short walk is hard. Sad

Now I’m done!

Ilovemypantry · 25/06/2020 23:19

@Alchemila

I hope that if there is a second peak it’s these arseholes people get furious at and not BLM protestors.
People should get furious at any large group/gathering that puts people’s lives at risk, no matter who they are.
SunflowerProsecco · 25/06/2020 23:20

Herd immunity! You mean death for the elderly/vulnerable? Have you seen the numbers who have died despite quarantine. Think about the number that would die if we went for herd immunity.
Death is the end. Full stop. No more of anything. No chance to recover finances or health or education. Goodbye to loved ones forever.
I can't believe people on MN who take this 'I'll be alright if I get it and so will my kids, so I don't care about anyone else' attitude.
Vaccine trials are progressing well. Let's try and keep as many from DYING as possible.

HesterShaw1 · 25/06/2020 23:20

I know this isn't the point, but why Bournemouth in particular? Confused

CrowdedHouseinQuarantine · 25/06/2020 23:21

i disagree with calling them idiots, for going to the beach, although there was a family allegedly from Birmingham, going to Bournemouth! that is wrong imo.
but why shouldnt people go to the beach, they are not at work, it is very hot.

DishingOutDone · 25/06/2020 23:22

Working class people have a long history of holidaying in popular resorts like Bournemouth

Its them chavs wot dun it.

MissEliza · 25/06/2020 23:22

@Notcontent I've been saying that for weeks - from the panic buying of everything to the people having parties in lockdown to this shit today. None of my friends or family behave like that but unfortunately the selfish actions of other affect us all.
I'm interested to know though why Bournemouth today is getting way more media attention than the deliberate law breaking of those attending a live music festival in London yesterday. I think fifteen police officers were injured. There's barely been a mention of it.

DontMakeMeShushYou · 25/06/2020 23:22

There is also no evidence for the contrary

No there isn't. But that's simply because there couldn't be any evidence yet. Covid-19 hasn't been around long enough. An important aspect of herd immunity is to establish for how long after exposure and recovery the body will continue to produce an immune response to further exposure to the virus.

DishingOutDone · 25/06/2020 23:23

but why shouldnt people go to the beach, they are not at work, it is very hot - entitled aren't they.

FizzFan · 25/06/2020 23:24

Let bloody COVID spread until it kills everyone off. The human race deserves to die.

I think that’s a bit much! Plus given it doesn’t kill over 99% of people who get it chances are the dicks will be fine and it will be someone who’s been following the rules who will die

EnlightenedOwl · 25/06/2020 23:25

@AHippoNamedBooBooButt

At the moment it feels like every week people are predicting the second spike. VE day street parties- there will be another spike in 2 weeks People went to the beach on 20th May - there will be another spike in 2 weeks. People went to a protest on 28th May - there will be another spike in 2 weeks Schools returned on 1st June - there will be another spike in 2 weeks.....

Well guess what? Less and less people are being tested positive each day, cases are dropping. Stop scaring everyone with threatening another spike in 2 weeks. It isn't happening yet.

I think people almost want a second spike