The beach down south/bbc news tonight

[Milssofadoesntreallyfit]

I'm mean, yes I want things back to normal BUT I am still concerned in case we get a spike again. I agree we all need to be careful BUT clearly all these people just thought F* it.
All we've put up with so far with lock down and it seems every one on the beach in question decided to piss it into the wind.

If I were the government I would think I couldn't trust people to use sense at all and put lockdown back in place until either a vaccination or until people realised that if they want lockdown relaxed then they need to prove they can be trusted to show a bit of caution.

Rant over.

And quite frankly they already given up three months plus of their lives for the NHS and the shielding, so who can blame them now!

What has been given up for those shielding? Nothing that you did or didn't do affected me - I was shielded, shut away from it. What did you give up for the shielded?

Lockdown was solely to protect the NHS from getting overwhelmed with sick people. The shielded wouldn't have been in there because we weren't at risk from catching this - we were shut away indoors. Nothing has been sacrificed to save the shielded. We've protected ourselves.

One of the issues was that people went to the beach knowing that none of the facilities would be open as cafes, pubs etc don't open until 4th July.

What exactly were the council meant to do, and with what money were they supposed to do it with?

They didn't go there to eat Ineed they went there to sunbathe and swim, they can bring their own food or eat from a takeaway.

The council could apply to the government for a grant to assist with safety measures. It would be cheaper than trying to police every beach in the country should they decide to close them!

hear did you hear the good news, you are now allowed out again soon? Good news for everyone this time.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/11947427/police-patrol-spain-beaches-tourists/

Spain also seem to be having problems.

But next weekend if people go to Bournemouth there will be other things to do as well as sit on the beach. There may be other places to park. People will be able to stay over, so not all travelling down on the same day.

How quickly do you think they will get that grant, so they can sort things out on the same day. Maybe the council didn't think people would be so stupid to all crowd onto the same beach. There are other beaches around.

The problem is the Government have relied on people's common sense and unfortunately it has been shown there are too many stupid, ignorant and selfish people in this country.

Something is puzzling me. If people are tied to public transport and there are limited destinations, this of course would lead to crowds in one destination.

If people are fortunate enough to have a car and wish to get away from their paddling pool and back yard, why must they congregate in the one place?

@pigeon999

hear did you hear the good news, you are now allowed out again soon? Good news for everyone this time.

You really don't have a great handle on developments do you?

Earlier you stated that SD was no longer 2 metres but is now 1 metre plus - which is incorrect.

Now you're saying the shielded are allowed out again soon - incorrect.

The shielded are currently allowed out once a day, have been for a while now.

On 6th July we can meet up with 6 people and from 1st August shielding is paused.

This all comes with caveats though. We have to maintain strict social distancing, workplaces must be Covid secure and we are urged to stay at home as much as possible.

I've been trying to go for a walk everyday but it's so difficult to maintain SD because many people just don't care. My dh came with me today and was shocked at just how bad it is. We were crossing roads, walking in the road, left the path to stand in the undergrowth while a family walked along the path towards us four abreast. The tin hat was when a car pulled up next to us and a woman got out right on top of us.

So yes, we can go out but the new letter makes it very clear that the risk to us remains and that we are at high risk of becoming seriously ill and there's only so much that we can do to protect ourselves. We're reliant on everyone else doing what they are meant to.

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pigeon999 DH said exactly the same as you about illegal parties and raves this morning...all the things young people look forward to in the summer won't be happening, so they will find a way of making it happen. I can easily see myself at that age having joined in even though it fills me with horror now. Deadly (and I don't just mean CV!).

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras

And quite frankly they already given up three months plus of their lives for the NHS and the shielding, so who can blame them now!

What has been given up for those shielding? Nothing that you did or didn't do affected me - I was shielded, shut away from it. What did you give up for the shielded?

Lockdown was solely to protect the NHS from getting overwhelmed with sick people. The shielded wouldn't have been in there because we weren't at risk from catching this - we were shut away indoors. Nothing has been sacrificed to save the shielded. We've protected ourselves.

What has been given up? Only education, healthcare employment- some jobs permanently, family, friends, fitness, the voluntary sector, charities, whole ways of life.

Shielding is drawing to an end because the sacrifices of the majority over the last 3 months, whether it was done perfectly or with some minor illicit concessions to maintain some sanity, have caused community transmission and demand on health services so that it is considerably safer for shielding people to begin picking up some pieces of normality. Safer, there is no safe for anyone (and goodness knows there's been enough discussion with you about risk assessment for months, so I'm not going any deeper into that with you) OK, there is now the economic need for shielding people to return to the workforce which some will do with relief and some with trepidation, but it is now far more justifable to resume working from a health point of view than it would have been to continue working in late March and April.

Are you now actually changing your tone after months to say that the entire population doesn't need to lock down hard because of others shielding?

I haven't protected you directly. But maybe my elderly neighbours are safer because my children haven't set foot in school for 3 months. Maybe my elderly mum is safer because I've only just this week seen her after 4+ months. Maybe that cold that I had in early March that caused me to cancel our last meet-up could have been more than a cold... I was living in an early hot spot so I erred on the side of caution.

What has been given up? Only education, healthcare employment- some jobs permanently, family, friends, fitness, the voluntary sector, charities, whole ways of life.

This hasn't been done to protect the shielded though. This was done to protect everyone else.

The shielded were shut away at home. That's all that was needed to be done if the purpose was to protect the two million shielded.

That was never the point of lockdown. Lockdown was to stop the rest of you from catching it and overwhelming the NHS, not the shielded.

The risk was that the other 64 million people in the country caught it and overwhelmed the NHS. The shielded removed themselves from society and so didn't risk burdening the NHS.

Lockdown measured were not for the benefit of the shielded.

@randomer

Something is puzzling me. If people are tied to public transport and there are limited destinations, this of course would lead to crowds in one destination.

If people are fortunate enough to have a car and wish to get away from their paddling pool and back yard, why must they congregate in the one place?

Lack of local knowledge. If you live far inland like Birmingham, you're not going to have a great knowledge of the quieter, less known options.

If I count a 3 hour journey as possible for a day trip, I can't head west to Wales because of their different rules. I could head north west to Blackpool, I could head east to Skegness, I could head southwest to Weston-Super-Mer, I could head south to Bournemouth. I have a reasonable knowledge of Cornwall, but that's way out of range. Any of the resorts I've mentioned could potentially encounter the same problems as Bournemouth has.

I can and do find quieter spots in my county and go-off peak, but it's harder to get it right to go to an attraction that is by default a couple of hours drive away. (And I haven't and am not rushing to a beach until I can make suitable travel/ accomodation plans, and I'm not a roast myself on the beach all day type anyway).

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras

What has been given up? Only education, healthcare employment- some jobs permanently, family, friends, fitness, the voluntary sector, charities, whole ways of life.

This hasn't been done to protect the shielded though. This was done to protect everyone else.

The shielded were shut away at home. That's all that was needed to be done if the purpose was to protect the two million shielded.

That was never the point of lockdown. Lockdown was to stop the rest of you from catching it and overwhelming the NHS, not the shielded.

The risk was that the other 64 million people in the country caught it and overwhelmed the NHS. The shielded removed themselves from society and so didn't risk burdening the NHS.

Lockdown measured were not for the benefit of the shielded.

Everyone has been protected by it, including the shielded.

If the NHS had been overwhelmed in a worst case scenario with people dying in corridors, there would have been shielded people caught up in that. Even if it was because they needed hospital care for another condition or because they had to leave the house at some point due to lack of support.

If the NHS had been overwhelmed in a worst case scenario with people dying in corridors, there would have been shielded people caught up in that. Even if it was because they needed hospital care for another condition or because they had to leave the house at some point due to lack of support.

So it was for the benefit of everyone then,? So all of the sacrifices were for the benefit of everyone, not just the shielded as posters are trying to make out?

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras

If the NHS had been overwhelmed in a worst case scenario with people dying in corridors, there would have been shielded people caught up in that. Even if it was because they needed hospital care for another condition or because they had to leave the house at some point due to lack of support.

So it was for the benefit of everyone then,? So all of the sacrifices were for the benefit of everyone, not just the shielded as posters are trying to make out?

Yes the people getting involved in drunken brawls will almost certainly be outraged if they get turned away from A&E..

Anyone who uses the NHS, including children and younger adults would suffer if the NHS was overwhelmed.
People weren't doing older and vulnerable people a favour by sticking to the lockdown guidelines. They were helping everyone, including themselves.

@DilloDaf

Anyone who uses the NHS, including children and younger adults would suffer if the NHS was overwhelmed. People weren't doing older and vulnerable people a favour by sticking to the lockdown guidelines. They were helping everyone, including themselves.

And that doesn't exclude shielded people, therefore shielded people have benefited along with the rest of society.

why must they congregate in the one place"

It's so bloody obviously a bad idea ... I wonder if a lot of people just don't have a good grasp on numbers and so don't realise how large the population is and therefore how many other people are likely to have exactly the same idea if they choose somewhere popular.

hear Yes the shielding have indirectly had the benefit of everyone's lockdown sacrifice, and I am not saying this to make you feel uncomfortable, however it is the truth.

If someone shielding gets covid they are likely to be in a very serious compromised position and could die, if I get covid then I am likely to be fine (I am young and completely healthy) Therefore I am not very worried about the virus at all, because my life chances are good of recovering fully. However the shielding still rely on the services of all those that are not shielding to be healthy and not carry the virus, and help them stay alive (food producers, delivery drivers, doctors, nurses, pharma etc) If it were not for these people the shielded would quickly become very vulnerable.

So you see we all pulled together to protect the most vulnerable, which in turn protected the NHS. It is after all likely in most cases to be the shielded and those in the older age brackets that will need the beds and ICU not people like me.

Do you know understand what I am saying?

It is and continues to be a huge sacrifice by everyone, and one I have personally been happy to make, to protect others (My family and friends are not in any of the at risk categories)

You, along with everyone else can enjoy life again from the 1st of Aug, and isn't that wonderful! We ALL have to socially distance, we all have to be careful, so you will just the same as everyone else. Given how sad you have been to miss out, I expect you are looking forward to living a full life again.

dillo very few younger people have needed hospital beds, only a very small overall percentage. The beds and ICU were used to mainly support those that are very old or with underlying health conditions. So it is not accurate to say 'everyone' because you can see from the stats that it is certain demographics that are affected badly and requiring treatment in hospitals.

@pigeon999

hear Yes the shielding have indirectly had the benefit of everyone's lockdown sacrifice, and I am not saying this to make you feel uncomfortable, however it is the truth.

If someone shielding gets covid they are likely to be in a very serious compromised position and could die, if I get covid then I am likely to be fine (I am young and completely healthy) Therefore I am not very worried about the virus at all, because my life chances are good of recovering fully. However the shielding still rely on the services of all those that are not shielding to be healthy and not carry the virus, and help them stay alive (food producers, delivery drivers, doctors, nurses, pharma etc) If it were not for these people the shielded would quickly become very vulnerable.

So you see we all pulled together to protect the most vulnerable, which in turn protected the NHS. It is after all likely in most cases to be the shielded and those in the older age brackets that will need the beds and ICU not people like me.

Do you know understand what I am saying?

It is and continues to be a huge sacrifice by everyone, and one I have personally been happy to make, to protect others (My family and friends are not in any of the at risk categories)

You, along with everyone else can enjoy life again from the 1st of Aug, and isn't that wonderful! We ALL have to socially distance, we all have to be careful, so you will just the same as everyone else. Given how sad you have been to miss out, I expect you are looking forward to living a full life again.

Could you be anymore sanctimonious?

Everyone, you included, has benefited from lockdown yet previously you stated lockdown was solely for the benefit of the shielded.

Is it great that I can go back to work on 1st August? No it isn't. The government letter this week made it very clear that the risk is still high for us and that we must maintain strict SD and stay home as much as possible. What 1st August means is that we will now be exposed to the selfish twats who don't care who they put at risk.

But it's pointless saying anything to you. You only care about doing what you want and being goady to others on line, so I'll leave you to it.

Can we remember that: ‘Protect the NHS’ is shorthand for ‘protect the NHS so that it is able to look after us ALL when we need it most’.

so you will just the same as everyone else. Given how sad you have been to miss out, I expect you are looking forward to living a full life again.

And this is the most ignorant comment that I've read. Clearly you haven't seen the letter sent out by government to shielders this week.

No, we can't do what everyone else does, no we won't be living a full life unless we choose to put ourselves at risk because they've made it quite clear that the risk to us remains.

The government letter this week made it very clear that the risk is still high for us and that we must maintain strict SD and stay home as much as possible

They told everyone to do this. We must all continue to SD and stay at home where possible.

No, we can't do what everyone else does, no we won't be living a full life unless we choose to put ourselves at risk

As long as you SD you can do the same as everyone else. PM made it very clear that this was a very welcome development. It is your choice now.