RFU reviewing use of slave song Swing Low, Sweet Chariot

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www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/53096584

Anyone recall this lively but good-natured discussion from earlier in the year? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3817800-Is-the-chosen-English-rugby-anthem-appropriate-do-you-think?pg=1

What do we all think now given the shift in attitudes to slavery and things associated with slavery? I think the attitude back in February was that it was ok, because it was initially sung in the context of rugby by a black player. BBC reporting that that player's nickname was Chariot which is why he sang it.

AIBU to be interested in whether our views have changed at all?

I know some English people who use the word 'soccer'. But without exception they are over the age of 80 and more interested in rugby.

My best friend is Portuguese - she always calls it football as does my friend from Hungary

But as this is clearly a thread to slag off the English OP I’ll leave you to it

I've had many really lovely English friends and colleagues over my career. In general, I quite like the English really. It's just rugby really. It's that great big log on my shoulder you see.

My best friend is Portuguese - she always calls it football as does my friend from Hungary

I'm guessing they live in the UK though? Not in Portugal or Hungary? So they're using the term most used in the UK?

Yes you could have Googled. Strange not to know though as the media went bananas over the England v Ireland game because of the father v son aspect.
I believe both Farrells are northern English born.

Yeah. The game is football.

Soccer comes from the later codification of the game of football.

That other countries, the colonies if I may be some bold, invented their own versions of, usually rugby, and called it football, does nothing to change the roots of the game or the very logical reasons why many countries don't use the term soccer.

Without Googling, OP, do you know where the term soccer comes from? If you do then you know why 'Brits' don't use it!

Goady as all go to hell!!

www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/soccer

www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/football

thisinterestsme.com/do-irish-people-call-it-soccer-or-football/

Strange not to know though as the media went bananas over the England v Ireland game because of the father v son aspect.
I believe both Farrells are northern English born

Oh yes, it's all coming back to me now - he was training the team playing against his son. Wasn't very impressed at the time mind you, which is probably why I've forgotten his name.

I don't see Farrell lasting long TBH. It's like the Trojan horse.

Given that Ireland (for rugby) has a population of 6.6 million

Is Josh Van der Flier one of the Connemara Van der Fliers?

They all do it.

'Soccer,' derived from AsSOCiation Football, is by origin a derisory term for (actual) Football used by the Rugby Fraternity in the days when they would refer to their own game as 'football.'

In Australia, 'football' is Aussie Rules.

So the answer is no, you don't know.

As shown by the fact you couldn't use that knowledge to vet the links you added.

Never mind.

I'm sure I won't be the only poster who has taught the history of sport, at both FE and HE, who is laughing at you now!!!

Hint: it is wordplay and just a little bit of colonial snobbery, 1980s style.

And the story if the Farrell's is not coming back to you at all.

As anyone with any knowledge of the most shameful way the sports media bullied them well knows!

Is it bad of us mere women to have actual knowledge of such manly sports?

Very bad Curious We'll be learning the rules next.

• or even being bloody referees

I know the offside rule. Men seem to think it's beyond the capacity of our tiny minds.

Not that I could concentrate on a game of 'soccer' for 90 minutes mind.

Law.

Well I've asked on my facebook page and the most comprehensive response I have received is from my Irish cousin whose interested in both soccer and football. His response was thus:

"In Ireland, soccer is referred to football or soccer and Gaelic football is referred to as football, Gaelic Football or just Gaelic. While in England, where Gaelic Football doesnt exist, they call Soccer, Football or soccer...while in the states, soccer is soccer and football is the American Football😎"

But do you know why??

But do you know why??
Why what?

Is that the FIFA, IRB or RFL Offside Law?

MockersMisguided FIFA I reckon?

So you asked a man.... and you call that answer comprehensive!!??

It ain't an answer. It's a description of the status quo.

Do you know why the offside rulings exist?

No asking men, googling etc.

Just a simple, no, I don't because I'm not rest interested, would be fine!

Simple answer - because if you've a man already behind enemy lines, you've an unfair advantage. I've played rugby/tag rugby long enough. Hardly rocket science.

Re asking a man - no - I've had 9 comments from a mix of male/female and they're all a variation of the same response.