To think it's ironic about Niqab and face coverings

[IsntItIronicDontYouThink]

Just thought about this and how ironically, face coverings have become mandatory on public transports and it makes me think of Muslim women (Niqab wearing women specifically) who've had a hard time because of their face coverings to now find that everyone has to cover their faces (for different reasons yes but still ironic, isn't it?)

Googled to see if anyone else mentions this. Here's a piece I found about it (There's more but just picked this one).

www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2020/06/12/face-mask-compulsory-muslim-women-12838585/amp/

It doesn't matter what 'the difference' is. The fact remains once you wear your mask, only your eyes are showing. Same as the niqab

Not the same at all.

A mask covers chin, mouth and nose.

A niqab cover the chin, mouth and nose and hair, head, neck, ears, cheeks and parts of the forehead. The only thing on show above the shoulders is the eyes.

Big difference between the niqab and a mask

Dp has a mask. Certainly not a piece of material on 2 pieces of string.

How is ironic? It’s a pretty simplistic (dumb) comparison to make in my opinion, a niqab and medical face mask are hardly the same thing. Not that anyone should get abuse for wearing either.

Viques - excellent points, thanks for expressing them all so clearly.

Interesting to read how other people are finding life under a mask. I keep longing to rip mine off and take a huge deep breath.

I realise how often I usually smile at other people in the street -- but of course now they would only see me staring at them, which must look nosy or even potentially hostile. So I look and smile at other people much less now.

People can't communicate so easily, because our voices are muffled and we can't see facial expressions. I now only speak when necessary rather than chatting.

It certainly does seem to cut down the small pleasant things that smooth our way through life in a crowded world. I'm struggling for words because it's something I hadn't thought about before. Those tiny communications are sort of like lubricant in an engine, letting us all move around each other comfortably. It's odd without them.

FWIW I don’t wear a mask.
Dd bought me one but i hate the feeling of being covered up.
I don’t wear anything around my neck. I don’t even wear anything with long sleeves.

Nearly had a panic attack

@AvocadosBeforeMortgages

I've been picturing women who normally wear niqabs going "finally! My time has come!"

Now my husband and my male family members have to wear one too. They get to be isolated from society too. Win win.

@EmperorCovidula

I did read your post. You are being ridiculous and obtuse with your vulva story.

Dictionary definition of free will:
The power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion.

It is still free will even if it makes someone feel grown up or safe because they have free will to act on that feeling or not. People make decisions everyday based on feelings. By your reckoning, there is no such thing as free will and no one ever has free will because they are always driven by feelings or outside influence.

In reality free will is choosing to act or not act as you feel is right, irrespective of your motives. See dictionary definition above. At your own discretion, and without the constraint of necessity or fate.

I wear a face mask when I go in the street. I do because it protects people. I do it even if I loath it: I cannot feel the breeze on my face, I breathe my recycled air, I cannot be heard well (french accent + mask= even more difficulties to be understood), I feel shorter of breath than when my face is free. I feel hobbled when I wear it, unnatural because I lose many sensations that I take normally for granted.

Now, I will still wear it, and I appreciate it value: it is universal, all should wear it, not just the people with a vagina, and its aim is to protect, not hide away. It is absolutely different from a culturally-imposed entire face covering.

Semi ironic in the sense that alot of opposition to the niqab is the idea that it could be anyone behind there and that it's a barrier to communication

I understand that alot of other people dislike it for other reasons

Also thought the same during the protests and riots. It's refreshing to see people out rioting with disguises rather than just the police

Just thought about this and how ironically, face coverings have become mandatory on public transports and it makes me think of Muslim women (Niqab wearing women specifically) who've had a hard time because of their face coverings to now find that everyone has to cover their faces (for different reasons yes but still ironic, isn't it?)

As far as I’m aware, COVID face coverings are equally imposed upon both sexes, rather than just the female sex, so your analogy fails at the outset.

"What a cruel, male dominated society" by Malcolm Evans.

Huh? Think you missed that point love.

Did you miss where I wrote "everyone has to cover their faces" in the very quote you posted? So I know, thanks.

Yes it’s ironic OP. It made me chuckle too. Clearly lots of people don’t see the irony but it is there.

I don't like the niqab or face-masks, but it gives me the rage when women's clothing is policed. In fact, according to some people here, women wearing the niqab are committing a thought crime.

Some of the people posting on this thread have had very dubious positions on #BlackLivesMatter threads so I would take responses with a pinch of salt, OP.

It's as ironing as pointing out that bikers (or skiers...) are wearing masks when most of them chose a full face one for obvious reason

Your thread took awhile, social media has been wondering how long stupid posts like that would take to pop up... a few months apparently.

Huh? Think you missed that point love.

Did you miss where I wrote "everyone has to cover their faces" in the very quote you posted? So I know, thanks

Directed at me, I guess?

Yes, I saw that you mentioned ‘everyone’ in your post. But an ‘ironic’ observation about something that is required only of women for reasons of patriarchy/religion has an extremely limited basis of comparison with something required temporarily and equally of both sexes as a health measure.

but it gives me the rage when women's clothing is policed.
as it's the niqab that is specifically banned in some country, and not a FEMALE niqab, you're good. The fact that it's women who chose to wear it is completely irrelevant, it's not the point.

1.Niqab is a symbol of female oppression.
2.Face masks potentially save lives from a deadly virus.
3.I don't think you understand the word ironic.

@Cadent

Some of the people posting on this thread have had very dubious positions on #BlackLivesMatter threads so I would take responses with a pinch of salt, OP.

Yep, I can see they're conveniently missing the point and latching onto a different one that has already been mentioned as not the point. Typical.

I don't like the niqab or face-masks, but it gives me the rage when women's clothing is policed. In fact, according to some people here, women wearing the niqab are committing a thought crime.

I couldn't agree more. I some countries it's policed to the extend where not wearing a covering is a crime. It really gives me the rage.

In all my years of living as a Muslim woman with a huge extended family (lots of women) and social network that spans both Muslim and non-Muslim women (and men!), I have never met nor heard of any Muslim woman who is wearing a head or face covering, against her will or choice.

I don't wear a face or had covering, and guess what, nobody has ever questioned my reasoning for it!

The ignorance of some posters on this thread is embarrassing. Go and educate yourselves, speak to some women who choose to wear the niqab and then formulate an opinion. Until then, don't police what women choose or don't choose to wear.

Yep, I can see they're conveniently missing the point and latching onto a different one that has already been mentioned as not the point. Typical.

Are you implying that those who disagree with you are racist?

You know western women know better. Their feminism is superior (just like everything else) and they will tell you what you need and condemn you for what they think you're doing wrong.

KitKatKit

With all due respect you most likely (although I'm assuming) live in a country where you have a degree of free will.
Most countries women wear niqab do not, it was instilled to control and 'maintain modesty' in females.
It is a symbol of female oppression, whether or not in the west people choose to wear it or not.
The most apt way of determining the success of brainwashing is if those brainwashed don't even realise it.
This comes back to choice feminism. It's the same argument people use for escorts that 'choose' to do it, totally ignoring that the vast majority of women in sex work do not have the luxury of choice.

@BigBadVoodooHat

Yep, I can see they're conveniently missing the point and latching onto a different one that has already been mentioned as not the point. Typical.

Are you implying that those who disagree with you are racist?

Again, huh?

no I'm not. I'm saying that some people see only what they want to see.