AIBU to think that schools can't return to normal while social distancing remains?

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So many people want schools back to normal in September but how can they be? Even if social distancing was reduced to 1 meter it's still going to be a logistic nightmare for schools to manage and a long way from normal.
I have a child in year 10 and a child in year 7 who attends a special school due to autism and severe learning difficulties. They will both have a few check-in sessions in the last few weeks of term but it's going to be a world away from normal.
People are demanding the full reopening of schools but I just can't see how it can be done - do they just want to end all social distancing in schools and return to normal?
AIBU to think we can't have social distancing and schools open and working at full capacity?

Scrapping SD in schools means scrapping SD on public transport as a huge % of children travel this way. Staggered start and finish times could aid this possibly.
Also, although Unions can be militant, they are not going to let their staff return to a workplace that is non covid secure!
All work places ha e to be covid secure by SD or the use of PPE?

@LegallyBlue you said to me "your suggestion would result in children dying." If children were dying at school in Sweden then they would be shut. The fact that they remain open says that children probably aren't dying.

Zoos/Primark/Greggs etc are all opening with SD. Like schools

@oldwhyno eh? They do have to be 2m apart and it’s up to 15 2m apart not either or

@Waxonwaxoff0 thats nice that you don’t care about staff or kids. I presume you are not a teacher? Then please don’t make choices about my life. It would be discrimination to have SD everywhere but schools.

@oldwhyno the government guidance says children in each bubble of UP TO 15 children should stay 2m apart if possible

Surely it's not about children dying - but transmitting the virus to others?

Ok im genuinely Iost on this now......the last few weeks seems to have been everyone saying no cant go back to school, its not safe, im going to refuse to send my kids etc etc. Now the news is full of we have to open the schools, kids are suffering they NEED to go back.
The council in my area kept schools shut as the R number had gone up, ive no idea what the R number is now.
So is it the schools, unions, local councils or government who are keeping schools shut????
Do they now want them open with no s social distancing - are they wanting ALL years to go back??

TrustTheGeneGenie Imagine if you understood how numbers work. On average, about 2000 children per year die in car accidents in the UK. If we open schools without social distancing, imagine that just one child dies from coronavirus - just one. That wouldn't prevent anyone dying in a car accident. So, the total deaths of children would go from 2000 to 2001. Do you see how 2001 is the higher number? That means a child died because of the lack of social distancing in schools - the number who die in car accidents is irrelevant*

Are you aware that 20 Healthy children a year die of chicken pox?

We’re allowed to go to the zoo again

Zoos must have 2m social distancing in place.
Zoos are outdoors. Their indoor attractions remain closed.
No where in a zoo is an enclosed space with 30 children and 2 adults.

Although small children can act a little like young monkeys, where is the comparison?

I’m a teacher. I also think they should scrap social distancing in schools and get us back to normal in September.

It’s 11 weeks away. Look how much the world changed in the last 11 weeks...

@EnlightenedOwl just wow. Enough now- yes those people dying enough now. Uncontrolled spread of a unknown disease- enough now. That might be your choice but other people who actually have half a brain won’t support that.

@PotteringAlong then you are an idiot. A other martyr. The virus hasn’t gone anywhere? Why can’t people see this. The exponential spread it literally teetering on a knife edge.

It would be discrimination to have SD everywhere but schools

Rubbish. Is it discrimination to not have it in hospitals? Nurseries? Childminders? Supermarkets?

Of course not.

@Davincitoad I'm not a teacher, no. But as I said, I'd be happy to go to my own workplace without social distancing. Lots of workplaces have to operate without social distancing. Where that isn't possible, PPE should be provided. PPE should be provided to teachers.

@Ilikewinter

Ok im genuinely Iost on this now......the last few weeks seems to have been everyone saying no cant go back to school, its not safe, im going to refuse to send my kids etc etc. Now the news is full of we have to open the schools, kids are suffering they NEED to go back. The council in my area kept schools shut as the R number had gone up, ive no idea what the R number is now. So is it the schools, unions, local councils or government who are keeping schools shut???? Do they now want them open with no s social distancing - are they wanting ALL years to go back??

My old school we’re saying the local government were stopping the rest of the years coming back.

Now they are saying they can all come back but part time and no learning will be actually done it’s just for play and socialisation. Learning will still have to be done on line

It’s private though.

The risk of children dying from covid 19 is TINY.

The children haven’t been anywhere to test that theory. They have been home. Yes a few have been to school, a few have been to the shops. But most children have been stuck with their families inside.

If just one child child died of Covid.
If that could be traced back to a school setting. How do you think that would work blame wise?
Local Authorities and centralised govt are very aware of this.
They have a care home scandal looming, they can not ensure safety im schools without covid secure procedures.

How many parents would sign a disclaimer to say that they understand schools are not 100% safe and if long term illness/death occurs they would take no further actio

Does anyone understand it’s not just about it kids getting it. It’s about them being silent vectors. oNS data shows equal rates of infection at all age groups. Maybe asymptomatic. Child seems GPS, friends. Parents= spread. It’s not just about that child in a isolated setting.

And do I have to say it again-staff deserve some sort of safety. Ppe or SD. We are not government pawns. Don’t spout the usual bollocks about x y z professions having to deal with it. That’s also not ok. It’s not a race to see who is worst off. You might hate your kids teacher but they have their own, families, kids, and you are not more important than them because ‘your taxes pay their wages’

The children haven’t been anywhere to test that theory. They have been home. Yes a few have been to school, a few have been to the shops. But most children have been stuck with their families inside

Why are the children of keyworkers not dropping dead then?

The spread in march was huge. If this was going to kill children, they would have started dying early April. They didn't.

@Aragog

We’re allowed to go to the zoo again

Zoos must have 2m social distancing in place.
Zoos are outdoors. Their indoor attractions remain closed.
No where in a zoo is an enclosed space with 30 children and 2 adults.

Although small children can act a little like young monkeys, where is the comparison?

When was the last time you went to a zoo

@Chosennone. exactly

The blame has been put on the school, liability lies with the Head. Not the government. Therefore why so it so surprising schools are being so careful. All these pushers would change their tune if their child caught it in school.

Lots of children die every year from chicken pox and other infectious diseases and their complications. That they have caught in school. People who think that's fine (because it's not on the news) but that all schools and education in the country should be cancelled to prevent the death of one child from Covid19 are totally batshit, sorry. It is a cost/benefit situation, there is very little cost to children from Covid19, enormous cost of not going to school = allow all children to go to school normally. It isn't rocket science, and I'm really hoping that's where we end up.

If you think that's too risky, carry on.

How many parents would sign a disclaimer to say that they understand schools are not 100% safe and if long term illness/death occurs they would take no further action

I would.

My child got chicken pox from nursery.

If he'd have died of that, would I have blamed nursery?

No. Of course not because I understand how infectious disease works and I'm not a moron.

@Tfoot75 again it’s about the fucking spread they may cause not just the children themselves. Jesus Chris stop quoting unrelated figures!