To suggest a campaign for a referendum on the death penalty for child abusers?

[TheVoiceOfReasonableness]

I’m a professional (I’m not going to reveal my capacity as it could be too outing) but let’s just say it is within the criminal justice system.

I have been involved with many cases of historic child abuse and child abuse images.

Although I could never voice this opinion publicly, because of my job, I really do think that we ought to consider the death penalty for child abusers.

The problem is, they can’t be cured.

The courses and “treatment” programmes that exist both inside and out of prison are geared towards “minimising risk” of committing further offences and are designed to give paedophiles “strategies” for avoiding “risky situations”. These only work if the paedophile is actually motivated not to hurt children.

The problem is paedophiles are extremely manipulative and are often quite intelligent.

They know what the offender manager (the modern term for a Probation Officer) wants to hear and may be saying all the right things while secretly still believing that there is nothing wrong with what they do.

The death penalty for child rape can easily be justified in my opinion. Arguably it is a worse crime than murder as the victim has to
live with the trauma of what has been done to them and it really does ruin lives permanently.

Now that we have left the EU (I voted remain, but every cloud has a silver lining...) bringing back the death penalty would be just as easy as having another referendum then passing legislation if the majority of the public want it.

We need not go down the American route of spending decades on death row- before we abolished it in the UK in the 1960s you got two appeals and that was it.

As for method- we had the quickest method with hanging and it would be all over in less than 15 seconds. There was no ceremony or last words, your cell was next door to the gallows you would be taken straight through- rope round neck, trapdoor opens, instant death from a broken neck.

Zero reoffending rate.

As for it being in humane and the right to life- innocent people including children die horribly from diseases like cancer all the time. 40,000 have died horribly from Coronavirus. I don’t think snapping the neck of a murderer or rapist who has abused a child to kill them instantly is that horrific TBH

No. Unless you want more child abusers to get away with it, that is? Either that or you have the emotional intelligence of a block of wood.

You realise that much child abuse occurs within the family? It is extremely difficult for children to report what is happening to them as it is. It will be inhuman to ask them to choose between continuing to endure Uncle Simon's abuse and Uncle Simon's death.

Further, we have parents refusing to believe their children as it is because it's too hard for them to accept what their brother Simon is doing. If there is a risk that Simon will die if the authorities find out, even more will coerce their children into staying silent about the abuse.

So, OP. Why do you want people to protect child abusers even more than they already do? I'm extremely interested to know.

Yanbu. The fact that convicted paedophiles EVER have the opportunity to repeat offend in this country is a disgraceful failure by the justice system.

Either hang them or lock them up for whole life. Shame on anyone who wants these depraved individuals to have a second chance to abuse.

I totally agree with you OP
They can’t be cured
And should lose all human rights as soon as they interfere with a poor innocent child

No, There is no justification to take someone's life. Ever, otherwise 'meh, he wasn't a nice person and was essentially irredeemable' would be a defence for murder.

I have already tackled this OP on a different thread about this issue, and she failed to respond. I am extremely relieved to see that people overwhelmingly disagree with her.

I’m a professional (I’m not going to reveal my capacity as it could be too outing) but let’s just say it is within the criminal justice system.

Are you a barista in the courthouse Costa?

Why is op getting fried alive. I'm sure none of you are nonce lovers are you.

I wouldn't want the Death Penalty as it bails them out. Let the languish in a miserable life.

Why is op getting fried alive

Because the death penalty is barbaric. Obviously.

fried alive
Funny

Well my opinion might be skewed but I think yes, definitely. Lethal injection.

A few months ago we found out that a former really good friend of ours (he moved away and we lost touch) had been arrested and imprisoned for 16 years for paedophilia. He admitted it all. Some of what he did was laid out in the press. As well as physical abuse, he had the worst level of images.
To say I’m disgusted is an understatement. I’m also really shocked. So, for him where there’s definitely no miscarriage of justice. Yes! He’s ruined 2 families.

Don't be ridiculous.

No state should not have the power to murder its citizens.

If we did reinstate the death penalty it would be the final straw for me, I would definitely look to leave and work elsewhere.

@PinkiOcelot
The point is, you as an individual highly affected by a case with its huge implications for yourself and the people you know funnily enough shouldn’t be in charge of deciding if someone should die or not.
That’s why we have a justice system and not lynching
Is that so hard to understand

Totally off topic, but i use offender manager to mean a PO in the nps/crc/ prison aswell as police ones.

If you are a professional, you will know perfectly well that the death penalty is a complete breach of international law. It isn’t just the EU that makes that the case (I assume you are actually referring to the ECHR and as a professional in the legal world you really should know that leaving the EU will not remove us from the ECHR, but in any event international law prohibits us reintroducing the death penalty much more widely than just in Europe). Let’s not have a race to the bottom with the USA.

Working with RSOs in the community, i find it incredibly frustrating that there are those who dont qualify for programmes (that are run by facilitators). My ones on Orders dont give a shit. They arent going to prison, they have no fear.

I don't think we should bring back the death penalty. There are just too many moral and practical problems associated with capital punishment, many of which have been outlined in this thread.

However, I don't think you are unreasonable to think we should have a referendum on the death penalty for child abusers. I too have encountered paedophiles in the course of my work and have been shocked by how utterly malignant and lacking in remorse they are.

My own view is that I would like to see life sentences without parole for those who are convicted of raping a child.

No we should never never have a referendum on this ever
You want Dominic Cummings riding round in a bus saying “kill a peodo save a child”
Christ

YABVU. Can you imagine having that on your conscience as well as coming to terms with the aftermath of abuse??

I agree op. 100%.

Many paedophiles have themselves been the victims of horrific abuse. And you want to kill them rather than treat them.

To be honest, I think that puts you a level somewhere beneath them.

Not in my name. Under no circumstances will support judicial killing.

Because the Death penalty is barbaric obviously.

Oh and noncing kids, isn't barbaric.

Now that we have left the EU (I voted remain, but every cloud has a silver lining...) bringing back the death penalty would be just as easy as having another referendum then passing legislation if the majority of the public want it.

I'm really surprised that you claim to work in the justice system but have so little knowledge of basic legal structures.

The fact that we have left the EU is irrelevant to this issue. We are, I'm delighted to say, still signed up to the European Convention on Human Rights, and it is that which prevents us from reinstating the death penalty.

@Awwlookatmybabyspider

Because the Death penalty is barbaric obviously.

Oh and noncing kids, isn't barbaric.

So what? Are supposed to reduce ourselves to the level of paedophiles?

Is this a joke? You’re absolutely ridiculous.

The death penalty is abhorrent.

I do agree that child sex offenders cannot be cured, but no, the answer isn’t to Kill them.