To suggest a campaign for a referendum on the death penalty for child abusers?

[TheVoiceOfReasonableness]

I’m a professional (I’m not going to reveal my capacity as it could be too outing) but let’s just say it is within the criminal justice system.

I have been involved with many cases of historic child abuse and child abuse images.

Although I could never voice this opinion publicly, because of my job, I really do think that we ought to consider the death penalty for child abusers.

The problem is, they can’t be cured.

The courses and “treatment” programmes that exist both inside and out of prison are geared towards “minimising risk” of committing further offences and are designed to give paedophiles “strategies” for avoiding “risky situations”. These only work if the paedophile is actually motivated not to hurt children.

The problem is paedophiles are extremely manipulative and are often quite intelligent.

They know what the offender manager (the modern term for a Probation Officer) wants to hear and may be saying all the right things while secretly still believing that there is nothing wrong with what they do.

The death penalty for child rape can easily be justified in my opinion. Arguably it is a worse crime than murder as the victim has to
live with the trauma of what has been done to them and it really does ruin lives permanently.

Now that we have left the EU (I voted remain, but every cloud has a silver lining...) bringing back the death penalty would be just as easy as having another referendum then passing legislation if the majority of the public want it.

We need not go down the American route of spending decades on death row- before we abolished it in the UK in the 1960s you got two appeals and that was it.

As for method- we had the quickest method with hanging and it would be all over in less than 15 seconds. There was no ceremony or last words, your cell was next door to the gallows you would be taken straight through- rope round neck, trapdoor opens, instant death from a broken neck.

Zero reoffending rate.

As for it being in humane and the right to life- innocent people including children die horribly from diseases like cancer all the time. 40,000 have died horribly from Coronavirus. I don’t think snapping the neck of a murderer or rapist who has abused a child to kill them instantly is that horrific TBH

I won’t ever agree to capital punishment.

And could not be part of a ‘civilisation that sanctioned it.

If we need to lock people up for life to protect others then that it what we must do.

No it has no place in today's society!

It also does not deter people from committing the crime. It would also lay a burden on the victims, they would sometimes feel responsible for another person's death, this may lead to less reports of child abuse. Not to mention should someone be wrongly convicted.

I'd support a natural life tariff with no parole or if paroled chemical castration.

One of the big problems with the death penalty is how often people were executed and later found to have been innocent.

And the flip side problem is that if death is the penalty, a jury is less likely to convict and so more guilty would walk free.

Concentrating on catching and convicting more perpetrators, and on strenuously resisting groups who seek to normalise pedophilia would be a much more sensible approach.

They know what the offender manager (the modern term for a Probation Officer) wants to hear

Offender Manager is the police officer whilst the perpetrator is on the sex offenders register.

Probation officer is someone different.

Are you really in the criminal justice system ???

Aye alright pet, you crack on with your 'suggestion'.

Perhaps, if that doesn't start the balls of Whitehall moving, you could follow up with a strongly worded letter.

You're mad. And I'm worried that you work within the CJS.

We looked at this quite in depth at uni, and when the state kills someone on behalf of the families/victims, dont people dont actually feel that cathartic release or peace. They only really feel that when they are the ones to do the killing! Weird thing about the human brain; it's still wired to feel that desire for revenge, and the desire isnt filled by watching someone else do it!

Then there is the other type of people who feel immense guilt because they blame themselves for that person being killed.

A lot of people (childre) do not come forward and report abuse because, in part, they do not want to be responsible for their family member (who is so often the perpetrator) being locked up. Do you think reporting rates will improve if we start killing people?

I agree, but I've worked in the same field and I get it.

People who haven't seen it will never get it unfortunately. They can't ever comprehend just how bad it is.

I'm pretty black and white about these things though, and it's definitely a good thing that most people aren't!

They should definitely bring back the death penalty for child abuse crimes

Killing people is wrong. Capital punishment is never justified whatever the crime. Otherwise the state becomes as bad as the criminal.

If the last few years have taught us anything surely it's that we should never have another referendum ever again.

As for reintroducing the death penalty? That is barbaric, no civilised country has state sanctioned murder.

Absolutely no way. Thou shalt not kill.

Also why is this thread even being allowed to run?

CSA survivor here.

Abso-fucking-lutely not, for all the reasons given above.

And you need a career change, OP.

cherrytangfastic

I've worked in the CJS and can't agree that the death sentence is justified. Ever. If you've worked in this area you'll know it's completely fallible.

I think child molesters and murderers should have the punishment of death

So an eye for an eye then? In the killing of killers, we would ourselves become killers and would in turn need to be killed.

You said 'they can't be cured'. That implies that paedophilia is a condition they suffer from. Killing someone for acting on an impulse they have no control over seems wrong on many levels. A civilised society has a duty to protect all its citizens, from each other but also from themselves. Imprisonment achieved that. I'm aaibst the death penalty for all of the many reasons already stated but in this issue, utterly horrifying though it undoubtedly is, IF it is true that it is a psychosis, we shouldn't be killing people for suffering from it.

People who support state sanctioned murder are no different to the criminals they want to murder.

I dont think its a great idea as child murders will simply increase. You would have to ' destroy the evidence' to avoid getting caught so its way more dangerous to the victims to do this. I get it though! I would want and hour in a room with someone who abused my child.......and a blunt instrument of my choice.....

The death penalty is barbaric and has no place in any modern society.
Killing someone does not reverse their crime. Plus, to me, it's the easy way out. A lifetime in prison seems way worse then death. Nevermind wondering who exactly are you going to hire to carry out the sentence. Would you be willing OP? To pull that leaver and watch that person die by being hanged?

YABVVVVVU. I could not live in a country that thought it was still ok.

Omg. Imagine how the child would feel - as if they haven’t been through enough!

I'm an SA survivor, along with my DSis. We we sexually abused by our F and others. By the time we involved the police years later as adults, our F had passed away and the only person alive whom they could have charged was my DB, who was also a victim and had serious MH issues.

The perpetrators are dead in so many cases. And if they're not, they're very elderly. Hanging them wouldn't change the past or stop the flashbacks or nightmares. And others are victims themselves like my DB.

JiggeriePokery I also work alongside the CJS with offenders of all sorts of crimes. I also don't agree with the death penalty.

Also OP you should know

Offender Manager is what they get in prison, they write up their OAsys report and plan their rehabilitation and appropriate courses whilst in prison.

Probation officers are still probation officers.

Public Protection Officers work for the police and deal with MAPPA cases which SO's always are.

And then because of their support needs you tend to end up with various other agencies working with them at various points. Like PACT and so on.

We make a multi agency partnership.

They may be able to "lie" to us, but if you think we don't know that, and also don't believe them you are sorely mistaken. We know, we talk to eachother, we wrote massive risk assessments and share them. They eyes are always watching from one agency or another.

Years ago I had a patient who came to see me because he was worried about his feelings towards children, he had never acted on them. There was nothing that could be done, I tried everything I could to get him help but because he hadn’t actually done anything I couldn’t get any. Perhaps more research is needed in this area.
But the death penalty is not the answer.

The problem is that death is not reversible. What happens if the child lies? It does happen, not often, I'll grant you but even once is too much. If an innocent person is convicted and later proved innocent they are released. You cant unkill someone.

Also people think that the death penalty would cut down on costs and prison space but this is a common misconception. The death penalty actually costs 10 x more than imprisonment. In California for example it costs $300 million per execution because of the sheer amount of hearings, appeals and paperwork. And people spend sometimes one or two decades on death row anyway waiting.