To suggest a campaign for a referendum on the death penalty for child abusers?

[TheVoiceOfReasonableness]

I’m a professional (I’m not going to reveal my capacity as it could be too outing) but let’s just say it is within the criminal justice system.

I have been involved with many cases of historic child abuse and child abuse images.

Although I could never voice this opinion publicly, because of my job, I really do think that we ought to consider the death penalty for child abusers.

The problem is, they can’t be cured.

The courses and “treatment” programmes that exist both inside and out of prison are geared towards “minimising risk” of committing further offences and are designed to give paedophiles “strategies” for avoiding “risky situations”. These only work if the paedophile is actually motivated not to hurt children.

The problem is paedophiles are extremely manipulative and are often quite intelligent.

They know what the offender manager (the modern term for a Probation Officer) wants to hear and may be saying all the right things while secretly still believing that there is nothing wrong with what they do.

The death penalty for child rape can easily be justified in my opinion. Arguably it is a worse crime than murder as the victim has to
live with the trauma of what has been done to them and it really does ruin lives permanently.

Now that we have left the EU (I voted remain, but every cloud has a silver lining...) bringing back the death penalty would be just as easy as having another referendum then passing legislation if the majority of the public want it.

We need not go down the American route of spending decades on death row- before we abolished it in the UK in the 1960s you got two appeals and that was it.

As for method- we had the quickest method with hanging and it would be all over in less than 15 seconds. There was no ceremony or last words, your cell was next door to the gallows you would be taken straight through- rope round neck, trapdoor opens, instant death from a broken neck.

Zero reoffending rate.

As for it being in humane and the right to life- innocent people including children die horribly from diseases like cancer all the time. 40,000 have died horribly from Coronavirus. I don’t think snapping the neck of a murderer or rapist who has abused a child to kill them instantly is that horrific TBH

I'm going to say. It's highly concerning the amount of nonce pitying on here.
I'd cut their bits off personally slowly and painfully if heaven forbid one laid a hand on mine, and No I won't be taking that back.

Nope. Civilised societies have no place for state-sanctioned killing of citizens, however abhorrent they are. And that’s before you even consider the vast problems relating to our racist police and racist justice system. A country which doesn’t treat all of its citizens equally regardless of race has no business killing people as punishment fit their crimes.

I doubt this would ever come to a referendum (which is just as well because this country is racist and stupid enough to vote in favour of it).

OP you should know being a paedophile isn’t a crime

Do you mean sex offenders ?

No I don’t believe in the death penalty but should there be a referendum for those that rape and sexual abuse children the yes o think it would pass

I do think they should have much longer sentences and majority should have a life sentence. There is no rehabilitation work that has been shown to work with persistent offenders. They fear prison more than anything but unfortunately as much as there are rigid restrictions around them it relies of then being very very heavily monitored and that is impossible to monitor them constantly

@DFAMA. Why would or should a victim or survivor rather have anything on 'their' conscience.

@Awwlookatmybabyspider

Because the Death penalty is barbaric obviously.

Oh and noncing kids, isn't barbaric.

If 11 year old Susie is being sexually abused by her older brother, will she dare tell anyone?

Working through the mixed feelings when your abuser is someone you should trust is a horrific thing. Disclosing abuse is horrendously difficult for children as it is.

And you think it's fair to add the burden of being responsible for their abuser's death on them?

@Awwlookatmybabyspider

I'm going to say. It's highly concerning the amount of nonce pitying on here. I'd cut their bits off personally slowly and painfully if heaven forbid one laid a hand on mine, and No I won't be taking that back.

I think it's highly concerning you want to make it easier for them to manipulate children into silence.

And stop saying "nonce"; it doesn't make you sound hard. Just like someone who can't handle the word 'abuse'.

I'm not changing my views, pothole. I have no pity for those who are attracted to children and act upon it. Is that politically correct enough.
Oh and if you had read my initial comment little miss jump on the bandwagon. You'd have seen that. I'm not actually in favor of the Death Penalty.

No, there is no place for state-sanctioned murder.

One of the problems when the state decides that someone should die, is that someone has to do the killing. There are clearly people who would volunteer for such a role. These are the people who are least suitable.

Awwlook because emotions and mental trauma are not always rational? You may not feel guilt but others would, especially after a period of grooming.

Whoever you are, you are a disgrace to your profession and should retire. HTH.

@Awwlookatmybabyspider

I'm not changing my views, pothole. I have no pity for those who are attracted to children and act upon it. Is that politically correct enough. Oh and if you had read my initial comment little miss jump on the bandwagon. You'd have seen that. I'm not actually in favor of the Death Penalty.

People being pissed off with you for being dismissive of abused children's emotions is not a 'bandwagon'.

Worrying that you think it is.

@Flyingagainstreason

No we should never never have a referendum on this ever You want Dominic Cummings riding round in a bus saying “kill a peodo save a child” Christ

Yeah, I wouldn't trust the British public with another referendum on anything for a long time.

“I'm going to say. It's highly concerning the amount of nonce pitying on here”

Where? I’ve not seen anyone condoning or excusing, or saying they shouldn’t be kept away from society.

Unless “nonce pitying” means being against the death penalty?

To be honest I’ve been glad that one outcome of leaving the EU has been a resurgence in debating the death penalty in certain cases because the EU would never allow it. At least now we can have the discussion.

To be honest I’ve been glad that one outcome of leaving the EU has been a resurgence in debating the death penalty in certain cases because the EU would never allow it. At least now we can have the discussion.

And yet another reason for those of us who have no wish to return to the bad old days to regret it.

I'm very surprised that as a 'professional' within the criminal justice system you actually believe this would have any hope of success. Utterly ridiculous.

I'm fully with you, @Iheartbellatrixlastrange.

Having been the person abused by a close relative who then killed themselves when found out....

I would say that in no way would the death penalty have made my life easier.

In addition, I am not a 'professional' within the criminal justice system, but even I can see your grasp on some basic concepts is terribly poor.

@Cherrytangfastic

I agree, but I've worked in the same field and I get it.

People who haven't seen it will never get it unfortunately. They can't ever comprehend just how bad it is.

I'm pretty black and white about these things though, and it's definitely a good thing that most people aren't!

This is how I feel too. I wish more than I can say that I don't.

for the very valid reasons on this thread and others wouldn't argue for the death penalty.

But in my core I know without a doubt that death is the only way to protect children from sexual predators because they really will never stop.

Each offence and each prosecution just adds more knowledge (and more new contacts they make inside) that they then use to perpetrate crimes against future children in more elaborate and underhanded ways.

Sentencing is for such short lengths of time that it is really no deterrent because the enjoyment of the crime is very much worth the payoff for them.

The whole thing is sickeningly heartbreaking.

Do these predators deserve to die?
very probably
Should we have the death penalty?
absolutely not, it's barbaric and primitive, I do not want to live in a barbaric primitive society

I understand why you feel that way tbh OP.
Emotionally I get it, but logically and morally it feels like a backwards step.
The problem is, these types of criminals just don't get long enough. CB was only jailed for 15 months 2 or 3 times for child abuse. So depressing.
He got longer terms for dealing drugs.

Look, if you went into any Category A prison in this country, you would find many people who you'd probably like to see put to death. I know I would.
However, that isn't a reason for state sanctioned murder. That I wouldn't lose much sleep over a child molester being hanged isn't enough for it to be enshrined into law. It's emotion led.
I would, however, fully support longer sentences for many crimes. I think life imprisonment would deter offenders more than the death penalty would. It's an easy way out.

The enjoyment of the crime is very much worth the pay off
Are you saying that there is something extremely pleasurable about these sadistic and appalling acts?
As if this becomes an overwhelming compulsion, like an addiction to a very powerful drug?
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