To suggest a campaign for a referendum on the death penalty for child abusers?

[TheVoiceOfReasonableness]

I’m a professional (I’m not going to reveal my capacity as it could be too outing) but let’s just say it is within the criminal justice system.

I have been involved with many cases of historic child abuse and child abuse images.

Although I could never voice this opinion publicly, because of my job, I really do think that we ought to consider the death penalty for child abusers.

The problem is, they can’t be cured.

The courses and “treatment” programmes that exist both inside and out of prison are geared towards “minimising risk” of committing further offences and are designed to give paedophiles “strategies” for avoiding “risky situations”. These only work if the paedophile is actually motivated not to hurt children.

The problem is paedophiles are extremely manipulative and are often quite intelligent.

They know what the offender manager (the modern term for a Probation Officer) wants to hear and may be saying all the right things while secretly still believing that there is nothing wrong with what they do.

The death penalty for child rape can easily be justified in my opinion. Arguably it is a worse crime than murder as the victim has to
live with the trauma of what has been done to them and it really does ruin lives permanently.

Now that we have left the EU (I voted remain, but every cloud has a silver lining...) bringing back the death penalty would be just as easy as having another referendum then passing legislation if the majority of the public want it.

We need not go down the American route of spending decades on death row- before we abolished it in the UK in the 1960s you got two appeals and that was it.

As for method- we had the quickest method with hanging and it would be all over in less than 15 seconds. There was no ceremony or last words, your cell was next door to the gallows you would be taken straight through- rope round neck, trapdoor opens, instant death from a broken neck.

Zero reoffending rate.

As for it being in humane and the right to life- innocent people including children die horribly from diseases like cancer all the time. 40,000 have died horribly from Coronavirus. I don’t think snapping the neck of a murderer or rapist who has abused a child to kill them instantly is that horrific TBH

Christ no!

FFS your post is creepy and I think you’ve spent too much time thinking about this.

This is why we should never have had an EU ref. The death penalty had f all to do with the EU. We are still very much signatories of the European Convention of Human Rights (the first right being the right to life) which has nothing to to with the EU and has other signatories such as Russia who are also nothing to do with the EU

So no your bonkers proposal is dead in the water thankfully.

Death is a step too far for me. Although I totally get where you are coming from. Like PP my heart says die you bastards but my head says death isn’t the way to dish out justice.

Chemical or preferably physical castration would be my preference for them.

Not some kind of ‘trust’ based chemical castration though, it would have to be something they couldn’t reverse (ie pretend to take a tablet and spit it out outside or deliberately vomit it up so it’s ineffective). Cutting the parts they get enjoyment from would certainly prevent them getting their cheapies.

A life without any kind of sexual gratification would be a better and presumably cheaper punishment for the taxpayer than jail. And the punishment would fit the crime.

No because even one death in error is too much. There's also something deeply disturbing about any supposedly civilised society endorsing the death penalty - it's primitive and achieves nothing. It perpetuates misery.

I really hope you don't work in the criminal justice system, if you do get out now, your burnt out and could do some real harm.

The death penalty is not the mark of a civilised society.

Well I certainly wouldn't sympathise with a dead child rapist, my only problem with the death penalty in these cases is wrongful conviction.

I'm not in the UK but I'd prefer that convicted peadophiles are forced to have chemical castration. It takes away the urge while still leaving them to live their life.

That's my adopted ds' birth mother sentenced to death then. superdoops - another shocking burden for him to have to carry.

Maybe we should work out why our society has such a high number of these people and work out how to stop it.
Becuase what we do now doesn’t work and killing them won’t work either

The death penalty has no place in a civilised society. It is revenge and not justice. I really hope you don't work in the justice system because your attitude is appalling.

I've just finished watching When They See Us on Netflix. Trump wanted to bring back the death penalty and have them killed. 14 years after they were found guilty, DNA evidence emerged that proved they were innocent as they had said all along. It's a bad policy.

No
We are meant to be a civilised society, and state sponsored killing has no place in it.

The state shouldn't kill people.

Less people would report.

Less juries would be willing to convict.

It's not actually a deterrent.

It motivates the offender to kill rather than 'just' rape.

It's barbaric.

It's frequently racist.

Any other reasons you need?

Do I wish the individuals who commit these crimes would die? Absolutely.

But no one rational would actually want the death penalty back, if you think about everything that involves and the risks / ethical issues.

Far stricter sentencing for these kinds of crimes (from indecent images and up) would be a better thing to campaign for.

I voted remain and am quite nuanced about the fact that we didn't win and it might not mean the end of the world, but Jesus hoping that means we can skip the death penalty back in is something else.

I think your job has sent you a bit weird and you should resign.

And yabu obvs.

As a survivor of CSA and an ex-CJS employee myself...not in my fucking name. State-sponsored murder is still murder.

I also agree. You need to leave your job and become a flower arranger or something. Because clearly this shit ain’t good for your mental well being

The problem is that if you have a referendum, those wanting a referendum will win. The losing left wing minority will then kick up such a stink, rioting, writing letters, complaining that Hit**r has returned etc that the resultant damage will be worse than the benefit of stopping child abusers.

Its a dilemma. Maybe castration?

One of the big problems with the death penalty is how often people were executed and later found to have been innocent.

I don't want to live in a country which sanctions murder of anyone.

Your posts are full of generalisations and paedophiles. I've also worked with this population, and I would be horrified to have a colleague with so little compassion.

What would do you with someone who have urges to abuse children and was trying to resist them? What would you do with kids who have abused younger kids after suffering abuse themselves? What about paedophiles with a learning disability when you aren't sure whether they understand why it is wrong?

Obviously the crime is always wrong, but it isn't as simple an issue as you are making out.

God yabu

I don't want to live in a country that kills its citizens.

I remember the baying for the death penalty for terrorism offences after the pub bombings in the 1970s

The Guildford Four served 15 years before their convictions were overturned as unsound.

Yes yes yes I have been thinking about this for a long time. My mum and I were discussing this. I think child molesters and murderers should have the punishment of death. The stats clearly say they will go on to re-offend. Either death or complete castration should be the fitting punishment. They are predators after all.