To suggest a campaign for a referendum on the death penalty for child abusers?

[TheVoiceOfReasonableness]

I’m a professional (I’m not going to reveal my capacity as it could be too outing) but let’s just say it is within the criminal justice system.

I have been involved with many cases of historic child abuse and child abuse images.

Although I could never voice this opinion publicly, because of my job, I really do think that we ought to consider the death penalty for child abusers.

The problem is, they can’t be cured.

The courses and “treatment” programmes that exist both inside and out of prison are geared towards “minimising risk” of committing further offences and are designed to give paedophiles “strategies” for avoiding “risky situations”. These only work if the paedophile is actually motivated not to hurt children.

The problem is paedophiles are extremely manipulative and are often quite intelligent.

They know what the offender manager (the modern term for a Probation Officer) wants to hear and may be saying all the right things while secretly still believing that there is nothing wrong with what they do.

The death penalty for child rape can easily be justified in my opinion. Arguably it is a worse crime than murder as the victim has to
live with the trauma of what has been done to them and it really does ruin lives permanently.

Now that we have left the EU (I voted remain, but every cloud has a silver lining...) bringing back the death penalty would be just as easy as having another referendum then passing legislation if the majority of the public want it.

We need not go down the American route of spending decades on death row- before we abolished it in the UK in the 1960s you got two appeals and that was it.

As for method- we had the quickest method with hanging and it would be all over in less than 15 seconds. There was no ceremony or last words, your cell was next door to the gallows you would be taken straight through- rope round neck, trapdoor opens, instant death from a broken neck.

Zero reoffending rate.

As for it being in humane and the right to life- innocent people including children die horribly from diseases like cancer all the time. 40,000 have died horribly from Coronavirus. I don’t think snapping the neck of a murderer or rapist who has abused a child to kill them instantly is that horrific TBH

Any punishment is too good for them. Even death.

The way England is going at the moment I would not actually be surprised if the death penalty got brought back. "Make England great again"

I can see why one would be concerned about the poor sod who had to push the button. But in reality there would most likely be a queue of people wanting to do it. Any one of those Nazi saluting hooligans from last week would be v keen I reckon.

also great way to stop survivors coming forward - if you tell people 'daddy/uncle j/your brother etc. will be put to death - great plan

also lets add more guilt on the shoulders of those who have been abused

I come from a US state where the deatth penalty is legal and frequently misused. No effing way. I think they should be monitored forever, imprisoned or offered sterilisation/chemical castration, but we can't kill people, no matter how bad they are. Getting it wrong one time is too many.

@TheCanterburyWhales

If you are a professional, you are a disgrace to that profession.

There's a lot of peeeeeedo hunters on MN today. Go and find some thick mates on another thread.

Agreed.

I'm opposed to the death penalty on principle, regardless of the offence. It's an expression of revenge not justice and does nothing whatsoever to protect the public.

You’re unreasonable for thinking the EU has fuck all to do with why our legal system abolished the death penalty for a start.

On the day you can 100% guarantee no wrongful convictions ever then it could be a discussion.

It would still be a no from me. Plus that day will never come so it should never be a discussion imo.

@Cfmcg900

You’re unreasonable for thinking the EU has fuck all to do with why our legal system abolished the death penalty for a start.

Do elaborate.

You’re unreasonable for thinking the EU has fuck all to do with why our legal system abolished the death penalty for a start.
Do elaborate

@ilovesooty it was abolished around 30 years before we joined the EU. It is very literally in the OP.

I doubt the OP will be back. But either way YABVU and ridiculous and I think you know that

@Cfmcg900 I apologise. I misread you ... in that case I agree with you!

No.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_Molseed

The amount of goady batshit threads popping up on MN lately.

Perhaps it’s lockdown boredom but the cynic in me might think it suspiciously correlates with the recent MN begging bowl. More outrage = more clicks.

Either way, this can’t be real.

What Aposterhasnoname
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YANBU. They serve no purpose on the planet other than to cause pain and misery to innocent children.

Life doesn't mean life in the UK. In reality this means they are then free to inflict more misery when they are released.

We're all entitled to our opinions so it would be interesting to see what the outcome of such a referendum would be.

I’d like to see life meaning life for aggravated cases, and substantial tariff on life sentence fit all. And other Sentences to be fit the (minimum) time to be served. Not a figure only half of which would be custodial.

But I would never support a return to the death sentence

I would approve the death penalty for many crimes if you could set up a justice system that was fair and safe for the innocent. Take a look at the Mccann threads and imagine some of those people as your jurors. Watch them embellish the facts and invent new ones before your very eyes.

This is a country remember where paediatricians have been targeted because people don't know the difference.

If I could vote YABU x 100 I would. Murder, state sponsored or otherwise, will never be right or justified. Long, long sentences etc, no problem. Never capital punishment

"I don’t think snapping the neck of a murderer or rapist who has abused a child to kill them instantly is that horrific TBH"

Nor do I, but why does no one ever suggest an overdose of morphine? The entertainment factor would be lost of course which is probably why it's never used for executions.

There are offenders in the UK serving indeterminate life sentences.

I’m a professional (I’m not going to reveal my capacity as it could be too outing) but let’s just say it is within the criminal justice system

I don’t think a professional working in the criminal justice system, who understands the complexities and nuances of this issue, would write a post like this.

No.

Because sometimes there are miscarriages of justice.

And because a society with the death penalty is not a civilised society. It's not about what the offenders deserve, it's about what it says about the rest of us that we'd be willing to do that.

@Aposterhasnoname

No. The death penalty is utterly barbaric and has no place in the modern world.

This is also the opinion of one of my best, and oldest friends who’s daughter was murdered by a well known peadophile.

They have a death penalty in America and they aren't exactly short of murderers and paedophiles

No.

And I'm a survivor of childhood SA and tape.