To start an IDGAF thread about football restarting?

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If, like me, you see the lack of education provision for months and the devastating effect on the UK economy and people's livelihoods as marginally more important than a bunch of millionaires kicking a ball about you can come here to lament the lack of fucks around these parts. Football widows welcome.

[quote SleepOhHowIMissYou]@ilovesooty so a person who doesn't agree with you is ignorant?

I always think of ignorance as being unable to accept another's point of view without throwing insults.

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I meant that the description of football is ignorant, not the person who made the statement. I thought that was pretty clear but apologies if it wasn't.

@SueEllenMishke "those involved", try some of "those involved".

Do you see the difference?

I see the difference. It's a strange correlation to make though. Football doesn't cause shit dads. They'd be shit dads regardless. The dad's I know involve their kids in football...it's a family event.
The cyclists and golfers on the other hand, their hobby takes them away from family life for full days a weekends.

Seeing as though you have such an issue with tribalism. Where do you stand on the tribalism in modern politics?

I don’t mind football and wasn’t bothered with it restarting until they start cancelling tv shows to cover it and having it played on 4-5 different channels and able to be streamed online. Now I’m in the IDGAF camp.

I can take or leave football but I do find the obsessive nature of fandom waring.

The actual games themselves - on the rare occasion that I actually watch them - are quite enjoyable.

It’s the shit that goes with it, the bigotry, the obsessive leaderboard checking, the matched betting and the armchair punditry which bores me. And it seems just to take up such a disproportionate part of national life.

One Pavarotti, I love it.

Don't live with a gambling bigot then thepeople
As I'm sure you aren't calling all football fans bigots.

SueEllen I am not calling all football fans bigots or gamblers. But a subset certainly are. And they make quite a lot of noise.

Bigotry and gambling aren't exclusive to football. It's a small minority of fans but gets talked about like it's commonplace.

@SueEllenMishke " I see the difference. It's a strange correlation to make though. Football doesn't cause shit dads. They'd be shit dads regardless. "

No one is saying otherwise, some "shit dads" like football and other "shit dads" don't. Being more interested in football than your children is a symptom of "shit dad-ism" not the cause.

"The dad's I know involve their kids in football...it's a family event."

Which is how tribalism perpetuates. Football teams are inherited and adopted as a family culture. However, I know one son who supports a different team to his Dad just to piss him off.

"The cyclists and golfers on the other hand, their hobby takes them away from family life for full days a weekends."

So other dads being shitter makes the "shit dads" less shit? Is it a race to the bottom?

"Seeing as though you have such an issue with tribalism. Where do you stand on the tribalism in modern politics?"

Why does it matter? Are you hoping to trip me up so you can shout ha! at me? What's your angle? What would you like me to say?

It bothers me as a sociologist. From an academic perspective your arguments make no sense.
You appear to have experienced/witnessed some shit parenting by men who also happen to like football. You've created a correlation that doesn't exist!

It isnt a race to the bottom. That wasn't my intention. Im simply pointing out that an interest in a particular sport isn't a measure of parenting.

It also bothers me in a personal capacity. To see my DH judged just because he enjoys a particular sport upsets me. I've experienced it in real life - people being incredulous that someone who is such a huge football fan can also have a PhD and work as a senior leader in a university. It's bizarre and judgemental.

I'm not trying to trip you up. I find your constant reference to tribalism interesting. Political tribalism is a much bigger issue in society at the moment. At the moment you are at more risk of abuse for publicly announcing your support for political parties than your chosen football team.

Which is why I'm not being led there @SueEllenMishke

I'm sorry but I don't believe you're a sociologist. If you were you would have better analytical skills and wouldn't keep missing the point of my posts. I wouldn't have to tell why tribalism is linked to football or explain that not all people are viewed as a homogenous mass because of a shared characteristic.

Anyway, must dash, the shuttle is leaving for the space station in 5 mins and astronauts like me need to make sure we get a good seat.

Advance search me....I post regularly about the fact I'm a university academic.

My analytical skills are just fine but my tolerance for judgemental bullshit is pretty low.

@SueEllenMishke posting regularly about something doesn't make it true.

If you want to address the judgemental posters then do so. However, you seem more fixated on telling me my opinion's wrong than addressing those that are actually being judgemental.

So you don't think your original post was judgemental and offensive?

I've said dozens of times that people are entitled to their own opinion. It's fine not to like football but it's not fine to judge and make assumptions about those that do.
Your first post on this thread did both of those things.

Your points about tribalism are interesting. I don't agree with them all and I don't think tribalism is always a bad thing. There are positives to he found (even in football!). There is a lot to be said for cohesion and a sense of belonging. I think the family aspect of football is a positive - the club DH supports fosters that sense of belonging from a young age and promotes football as a family event. As a non football supporter I've always been really impressed by events organised by the club and the local supporters branch.
Your experience of football has obviously been negative which is a shame.

@SueEllenMishke I can't even remember what my original post said but I've not passed judgement on those who like football because I don't think it's up to me to decide what other people like.

At no point have I said ALL football fans do this or this represents EVERYONE who enjoys football.

I don't see the point of football. It makes no difference to me if my local team or even my Country wins a tournament. It makes no difference to my life in any way. It doesn't matter TO ME.

And if you want judgemental, let's see how many people tell me I'm joyless or that I'm insulting them by not recognising the importance of football.

I follow a Premier League team and I would have accepted points per game to decide the season.

Its summer, let's have cricket or singles tennis (without Novak Djokovic).