Lockdown is ending and we are off to the shops!!!!!! :)))))))))

[pigeon999]

Yes we can book hair appointments, nail appointments and banish the roots in a matter of weeks. We can shop today!! We are counting down the days to hotels, restaurants and bars opening. We are breaking out.

We have turned a corner in England people!!

The lockdown is ending at long last - so what are you doing today?

@understandmenow I’m confused now, I may have misread something?

@FuzzyPuffling no problem, I'll do that when I deliver their weekly shop, like I've been doing for them since lockdown began. Also, not sure why it has to be luxury items, won't primark do?

Cracking. Could you deliver them to me instead? And it has to be luxury please because I'm not a Primark sort of person and I'm fed up with Fray Bentos products. Thanks!

@SlothMama

Working from home and carrying on as I have been, I cannot be bothered queuing to buy pointless tat I don't need.

Since when is clothes pointless tat?

Walk about naked, do you?

@Musicforsmorks I was saying we should shop to help the NHS, I think now you were saying the same! I think I misread.

I’ve rediscovered batchelors cup-a-soups through lockdown.

It’s all downhill from here

@understandmenow I think so! 😁

I mean I think we meant same thing, not that you misread!

Only organic linen and cashmere are real clothes.
Synthetics are for the oiks !

But here's an idea for all you shoppers - how about you all go and buy a shed load of luxury goods (hence perking up the economy no end) and then deliver them to the doorstep of a shielding person, who is probably at the end of their tether at the moment.

A little thoughtfulness would go a very long way.

😂😂😂 Laugh of the day! What's stopping you (other than vacuous virtue signalling) from doing the same online and having it delivered to a shielding person? Fortnum and Mason does marvellous hampers.

I’ve rediscovered batchelors cup-a-soups through lockdown.

Totally acceptable as lol g as it's the ones with croutons!

Just seen this thread, it started this morning and there's 34 pages already
Can I take a guess, it's gone something like this:

"Lockdown feels like it's ending, I'm off to the shop, feeling happy"

'OMG how can you even think about going outside your door, don't you know how irresponsible you're being?!"

"Alright fun sponge, we can shop you know!"

I've only been to the shops for a few essentials a few times, people could show some bloody consideration!"

"You've been to the shops at all? I haven't been out ONCE"

I'm not going shopping as I run a care home so the risk of transmission is too high.

Shop away, it's allowed now afterall. Although I can't understand all the parents banging on about children being shoeless when you can get them in supermarkets?

LemonadeAndDaisyChains I've never stepped foot in a shop in my life in case there was a virus around the corner.

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains, pretty much, but with a weird diversion into the joys of east Dulwich living around mid afternoon.

@understandmenow

I’ve rediscovered batchelors cup-a-soups through lockdown.

Totally acceptable as lol g as it's the ones with croutons!

........ah

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras
No, that's across the country. What is my risk based on where I live? In some places it will be lower than 1:1600. In others it will be higher. And 1:1600 doesn't sound that great to me.

Oh dear, HearHooves, I’m so sorry that you haven’t been able to find the information you need to make a good risk assessment.

IIRC you live in London. It’s impossible to be specific without knowing which borough but according to [[https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-the-uks-current-covid-19-hotspots-and-how-your-area-compares-11999237
this source]] rates in Greater London varied from about 2.9 per 100,000 people to 0.5 per 100,000 people a couple of weeks ago. Of course, I expect you to think they’ve spiked because of the protests, but given that the total number of cases is still going down I think that’s unlikely. However, even if you multiply them by 10 that’s a maximum of 29 people per 100,000, which is 0.029% or one person in 3,448 if I've got the figures the right way round.

The Lancet suggest a baseline risk of an infected person passing it on of 10%. This is reduced to about 0.9% if they’re 2m apart, or 1.8% if they’re only 1m apart [[https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1271536558517161985
(source)]]. So assuming someone’s only 1m from you, your risk of them having CV-19 and transmitting it to you is 1.8% of 0.029%, which is 0.000522%. I can’t recall seeing how long The Lancet reckons you need to be in contact with an infected person for that level of risk. Obviously it’s much higher if you’re inside for 15 minutes than if you walk past someone outside.

I hope this helps you to make an informed decision.

BTW pigeon999’s link to the ONS appears to show total cases since the start of the outbreak NOT current ones.

Waiting for you to tell me why it's not fair and my figures don't help...

[quote ThatLibraryMiss]@Hearhoovesthinkzebras
No, that's across the country. What is my risk based on where I live? In some places it will be lower than 1:1600. In others it will be higher. And 1:1600 doesn't sound that great to me.

Oh dear, HearHooves, I’m so sorry that you haven’t been able to find the information you need to make a good risk assessment.

IIRC you live in London. It’s impossible to be specific without knowing which borough but according to [[https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-the-uks-current-covid-19-hotspots-and-how-your-area-compares-11999237
this source]] rates in Greater London varied from about 2.9 per 100,000 people to 0.5 per 100,000 people a couple of weeks ago. Of course, I expect you to think they’ve spiked because of the protests, but given that the total number of cases is still going down I think that’s unlikely. However, even if you multiply them by 10 that’s a maximum of 29 people per 100,000, which is 0.029% or one person in 3,448 if I've got the figures the right way round.

The Lancet suggest a baseline risk of an infected person passing it on of 10%. This is reduced to about 0.9% if they’re 2m apart, or 1.8% if they’re only 1m apart [[https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1271536558517161985
(source)]]. So assuming someone’s only 1m from you, your risk of them having CV-19 and transmitting it to you is 1.8% of 0.029%, which is 0.000522%. I can’t recall seeing how long The Lancet reckons you need to be in contact with an infected person for that level of risk. Obviously it’s much higher if you’re inside for 15 minutes than if you walk past someone outside.

I hope this helps you to make an informed decision.

BTW pigeon999’s link to the ONS appears to show total cases since the start of the outbreak NOT current ones.

Waiting for you to tell me why it's not fair and my figures don't help...[/quote]
Sadly, that article is from 3rd June and looks at data "from recent weeks" so is currently at least two weeks out of date. Of course things might be much better than then, but there's no way of knowing is there?

If we had track and trace in place data would be current and accurate. That's what's needed to make a risk assessment, otherwise there's no choice but to listen to the scientists who have access to the best data. They are saying stay inside so I have to wonder what they know that we don't.

I'm pissing myself laughing at the go and buy something for a shielding person post
Bet this is one of the posters who told someone who delivered cakes to a neighbour at the start of lockdown that they'd mute service them with covid

OK, quick flick through the thread and see I was basically right
My day has been home schooling this morning, cooking bacon butties all round for lunch, and then going for a mooch into town.

@ThatLibraryMiss
Save your breath

Good on you OP.

Can't understand why people are getting so upset about others who are propping up the high street.

Bingo!

Waiting for you to tell me why it's not fair and my figures don't help...

And there you are!

Now, did you read the bit where I said, Of course, I expect you to think they’ve spiked because of the protests, but given that the total number of cases is still going down I think that’s unlikely. However, even if you multiply them by 10 that’s a maximum of 29 people per 100,000, which is 0.029% or one person in 3,448? That's what I based my figure of 0.000522% on. If you prefer to think it's 100 times worse that it was two weeks ago it'll take it to, ooh, 0.00522%. That's one chance in 19,157. Only you can decide whether you think those odds are acceptable to you. I'd be perfectly happy with them.

@Hobnobswantshernameback I'm more amused than exasperated, wondering what will come next.

I'm shielding and quite fancy a hamper if anyone is buying

I popped to Tesco, but decided to go to Home Bargains first so pottered there. Walked past Next and went in for some jeans on a whim. Then to Tesco. Finally for my first McDonalds in months, it was bloody lovely.

Going to Primark tomorrow and taking DD1 (12 YO) as she will enjoy it. Plus she has a bit of money to spend (as do I). Probably will pop into a couple of other shops too.

We can't hide away forever. While I do feel for those who are shielding or do feel like they are vulnerable. We also need to get the economy going again. I really dont see why I have to stay inside hiding just because other people are (for whatever reason which is probably just as valid as me being able to go out while sticking to social distancing)