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To wonder what sort of women are married to those blokes doing Nazi salutes at the cenotaph today?

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ChavvySexPond · 13/06/2020 16:09

Any Mumsnet husbands off throwing bottles at police horses today?

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ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 13/06/2020 22:39

Shoots really? Funnily enough I do not think BLM is a movement that will get to a point that it is in government. Also that is the US manifesto

No.

That is the verified, UK BLM account.

Mumsnet will block my link, but they have a gofndme with a million quid donated with the exact same identical words, and in addition these:

" How we’ll spend the funds!

  • Developing and delivering training, police monitoring and strategies for the abolition of police. "

Where do you sit on the right to equality for black people? That is a very simple question

In favour. As I'm sure is the overwhelming majority of the population in this country.

But the identifiable BLM leadership is clearly very very far to the left of what most people would agree with.

They don't seem to be on the same planet or page:

COVER THE CUT!

Crowdfunding platforms like Gofndme take a percentage of the money being donated. With Gofndme the transaction fee is 2.9% + 25p per donation.

We use Gof*ndme as an accessible and trusted platform to fundraise through. So to ensure that we receive the full amount donated we are asking for organisation, business or corporation to pledge to make up the shortfall.

Payment processing is not free. Gofndme doesn't profit from that fee. They do* ask people to give them a 'tip', which they do profit from. But that's not required.

There is no possible way for BLM to raise money completely for free, and Gof*ndme is vastly cheaper than options offered previously and in many countries, but they make out that they are somehow being bled dry.

Their leadership is unidentified and unaccountable:

Amongst calls for transparency and demands to reveal the leadership behind BLM UK, we are currently dealing with emergency legal matters following last week’s protests in addition to the hostility of far-right groups. This is a genuine threat to our safety and, whilst organisation and process plans for the fund are soon to be shared, we thank you for your patience, but cannot compromise our safety at this time. Some of us are already public-facing figures and have spoken out as members of BLM UK.

Their goals are extreme.

Most people disagree with them.

Most people are opposed to racism. But to the extent that BLM has identifiable goals and leadership they are not at all in accordance with most people's views.

This language is bollocks:

"Our commitment to all black lives means that we lift up the experiences of the most marginalised in our communities, including but not limited to working class queer, trans, undocumented, disabled, Muslim, sex workers, women/non-binary, HIV+ people"

Wants to smash capitalism but in favour of the sex trade.

Incapable of ejaculating the word 'women' without appending the idiotic drivel that is 'non-binary'.

The UK Taxpayer was paying for the Reparations of UK slave owners up until 2015, as reported by the Bank of England. If it was possible for Reparations to be given to slave owners and their families, including David Cameron’s, then the reparations of black people dealing with generational trauma and institutional racism is wholly possible. The redistribution of wealth is a key factor of allyship in 2020.

This is bollocks. The compensation was paid to slave owners between 1835 and 1837. The bill went straight onto the national debt which has never reached £0 and never will, so it makes no sense to claim that this was paid off in 2015.

No, I don't think most people agree that 'the redistribution of wealth is a key factor of allyship in 2020. '

We fight for our extended black family dying across the globe before and during the Global lockdown. Nineteen year old Adil, killed by police in Belgium. Seventeen year old Tina, killed by police in Nigeria. Thirteen year old Yasin, killed by police in Kenya. Thirty four year old Winston, killed by police in the Philippines

Winston was not black. He was a Filipino ex-soldier. That he was not black is highly likely from the facts they present there and is indeed the case, so it's hard to imagine that his inclusion was accidental, but elsewhere they say:

We assure you all organisers involved with BLM UK are Black (not politically black, Black and of the African and Caribbean diaspora) and the funds raised will be diligently used to transform the nature of Black life in the UK through intentional and national infrastructure building, support of existing Black-led groups and organisations across the country in addition to campaigning for the demands we pose to the powers that be.

which seems to be clearly limiting this to people who are of black African descent.

So there rhetoric doesn't even make sense, even if you ignore the fact most people would consider it an extremist one. And people have sent them a million quid? (and far more from corporate donations I'm sure)

Most people abhor racism. But if you have an identifiable movement with leaders and goals, and those goals are roughly the same in the UK and the US, then it really doesn't make a lot of sense to say 'no, actually BLM just means you think slave trading is bad', because actually, no, there is a real structure and real cash going towards actual goals.

Aridane · 13/06/2020 23:11

Wow - so clearly black lives don’t matter

Melia100 · 13/06/2020 23:14

Seriously?

What have their wives got to do with it?

Jeez the sexism just drips off some posters.

(And no, I wasn't there and nor was my not-white partner).

TheFormerPorpentiaScamander · 13/06/2020 23:16

@WoodenNoses

I've always wondered what sort of woman would marry a racist. Yuck.
My dad and my brother are both racist. Also both married to lovely women Confused

Mind you both my exes expressed racist views at times. Im not sure I can think of many men I'm close to who aren't racist :(

HouchinBawbags · 13/06/2020 23:22

They're at home putting memes about All Lives Matter on Facebook. Or foaming at the mouth at the removal of the Faulty Towers episode that contains the rant about Ni~~ers and W~gs because it's an attack on a British institution, doesn't matter because it was the 70"s or "My grandad fought in the war!"

Or like one I know, claiming black people aren't the only ones who matter because bad things happen to everyone. As a ginger she is subject to nastiness and bullying too so where are her rights?!.

Oh I doubt she's being called names because she's a red head.........

Sometimeswinning · 13/06/2020 23:25

Wow - so clearly black lives don’t matter

Dont be silly. I'm told on a daily basis I dont understand. I dont get it. Because I'm white. I then get told I should understand it and by not understanding it I'm racist. I should educate myself but shouldn't be educated by those who understand it! I've given up. There are stories I hear and make a difference. The protests do not move me. They did. They unfortuantly do not anymore.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 13/06/2020 23:31

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Thisdressneedspockets · 13/06/2020 23:35

They'd clearly gone out for beer and a fight. I said to my husband that I hope they don't take their frustration and aggression home to their families tonight.

Melia100 · 13/06/2020 23:35

You sexists are so gross, as gross as racists.

If a woman is unfortunate enough to be married to some fucking Nazi, you can bet she's not having a fun old time of it at home. Do y'all really think Nazis go home to have a respectful, mutual relationship with a woman?

Concentrate your rage on the men making the salute. If the woman wasn't there performing such horrific gestures, she is not your target. You are punching down.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 13/06/2020 23:42

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Melia100 · 13/06/2020 23:45

Yeah, cos no man gets radicalised AFTER marriage, and no Nazi was ever a terrorist at home as well as on the streets.

It's fucking gross, the assumption that it's women's job to 'civilize' men. It's men's job to do that for themselves.

Sometimeswinning · 13/06/2020 23:48

@smile calling it odd does not erase what has happened before today. Dont be stupid. I will still support the message but I wont support the mess it's been. Some people are able to explain and reach out. The protests have managed to alienate some of the people its suppose to reach.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 13/06/2020 23:50

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Sometimeswinning · 13/06/2020 23:53

@Smilethoyourheartisbreaking tell me what your impression of the protests before today has been?

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 13/06/2020 23:57

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IdblowJonSnow · 14/06/2020 00:00

Why the hell is it relevant who they may or may not be married to OP?

gluteustothemaximus · 14/06/2020 00:00

They'd clearly gone out for beer and a fight. I said to my husband that I hope they don't take their frustration and aggression home to their families tonight.

THIS. It's possible, if they are married, that they take it out on their wives later. They have no football at the moment. Usually they watch the game, lose, and then beat up their wives. This time, it's a riot first.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 14/06/2020 00:02

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Sometimeswinning · 14/06/2020 00:13

@smile read my post. I've been told I have no opinion on the matter because I'm white. I get that and actually support that. I will support anti racism(not blm, I'm not sure I know enough) Why do I need to donate? I've missed that expectation.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 14/06/2020 00:15

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Sometimeswinning · 14/06/2020 00:32

@smile
*And tell me who you are donating to. I'm interested
You asked me.

I am with you. I wont argue with you because I like what you stand for. I will just accept we have different views on the protests.

Lynda07 · 14/06/2020 01:11

IdblowJonSnow Sun 14-Jun-20 00:00:23
Why the hell is it relevant who they may or may not be married to OP?
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It's just interesting, Jon. I've wondered the same, can't imagine why. However I have met some very vocal, racist women in my time who have said things that would chill your blood so I suppose there's someone for everyone.

Melia100 · 14/06/2020 01:13

I'd guess that many of the Nazi loving pricks are divorced, myself.
Or never married.

emilybrontescorsett · 14/06/2020 06:18

A more pertinent question is "What type of father do they have?"

Maryjane3227 · 14/06/2020 08:26

I know quite a few people who still use terms like "paki", object to anyone questioning the British Empire, don't want anyone who isn't English in England, blame anyone who isn't white for UK homelessness, lack of access to social housing and unemployment. I have heard in their disgusting remarks, seen it in their Britain First type Facebook posts. They read The Sun and The Mail. They socialise with others who share their views. They will have more sympathy for the far right than BLM. These people are male and female, members of my extended family, and I have stopped trying to argue. I can't change people in their 40s and 50s. All i can do is try to show my children right from wrong.

The women are as venomous and territorial as the men in their views, it really comes out when they have had a drink. But you wouldn't see them at a protest like that anymore than you would see them at the football.
They really think their country is under threat. I'm not sure which decade their idyll stems from, or why they don't realise they would be in workhouses in Victorian Britain with few rights at all. But their fear is real.

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