WTAF - Far right protests

[Poppi89]

I have just heard on the radio that far-right protesters will be out tomorrow in response to the BLM protesters. People are being urged not to be out in support of BLM tomorrow due to the aggressive nature of the far-right group and BLM protests are being cancelled because of them.

I am outraged by this. The BLM protesters are asking for people to not be killed due to the colour of their skin. They have rightly or wrongly made a decision to put themselves at risk of COVID-19 to help spread this message - a lot of people have called them idiots etc for doing this.

The far-right protests are now also protesting in large groups (but not in response to a murder) and are 'known' for being aggressive. How is this acceptable?

I would like to hear from anyone who is planning to join/agree with these far-right protests and their reasons why?

Fact is, extremists on the left and the right have come together in warfare

If fighting for EQUALITY makes you an extremist, fuck that's the saddest indictment of British culture and racism I have ever heard.

If EQUALITY is an extremist position, you have just admitted the status quo is really far off from anything that resembles equality, which is exactly what BLM are fighting against. The status quo should be one where we are all equal regardless of skin colour.

Do you know how many black men, women and children die of curable diseases because doctors only learn to identify symptoms in one patient e.g. rashes that come up in meningitis and Kawasaki disease so doctors of all races struggle to spot symptoms early on as it presents differently in black people to white people. Equality is making sure doctors learn to identify symptoms in people of all races, just one small thing, among many others that doesn't affect your life in any way -i don't understand how anyone can be against that or call someone asking for equality in health, social, justice outcomes etc., can be an extremist.

Fuck me!

These fascist thugs were made up of extreme right wing organisations and groups of football hooligans 'ultras' who had arranged on social media to meet up and 'fight'.
Defending 'British culture' is laughable - they are as far removed from 'culture' and 'British values' that it's possible to get. White thugs - nothing more.

Well, I do not believe for a minute that some posters here would be protesting in peace at the BLM march. They can”t not even refrain themselves from insulting here when people have a different opinion or question something.

I do not think they usually convince many people anyway.

@ForTheCulture

Fact is, extremists on the left and the right have come together in warfare

If fighting for EQUALITY makes you an extremist, fuck that's the saddest indictment of British culture and racism I have ever heard.

If EQUALITY is an extremist position, you have just admitted the status quo is really far off from anything that resembles equality, which is exactly what BLM are fighting against. The status quo should be one where we are all equal regardless of skin colour.

Do you know how many black men, women and children die of curable diseases because doctors only learn to identify symptoms in one patient e.g. rashes that come up in meningitis and Kawasaki disease so doctors of all races struggle to spot symptoms early on as it presents differently in black people to white people. Equality is making sure doctors learn to identify symptoms in people of all races, just one small thing, among many others that doesn't affect your life in any way -i don't understand how anyone can be against that or call someone asking for equality in health, social, justice outcomes etc., can be an extremist.

Fuck me!

This! I read a thread on twitter today from a (Canadian?) Dr who was about to treat a patient presenting with liver related symptoms. As a jr Dr he checked his sources (including google!) before meeting the patient. Upon drawing back the curtain he realised the patient was black and therefore his textbooks were less than helpful but he also acknowledged his privilege in not questioning at the time of his training whether/how symptom presentation differed across races - I think he'll be a good Dr.

Most participants in BLM demonstrations have been peaceful. There were even 'silent ones'. The BLM demos were made up of men, woman, children, black, white and brown.

The Fascists were male thugs hell bent on trouble.
Knuckle dragging morons - any anybody defending them is supporting their thuggery.

@tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz

I will be interested to see if the same people who objected to the BLM demos solely because of CV19 "not coz I'm racist " will be equally worried about the risk this time

But I agree free speech is just that unless you're clearly inciting violence and unrest. I'm sure Tommy Robinson wouldn't dream of doing that.

Your boring, yes of course everyone that doesn't agree with the protests is a fucking racist, I'm sick of it. Not everyone thinks about race!

Can't believe what the police had to deal with today. It's beyond shameful. Bunch of pissed up fuckwits just looking for a fight and unable to articulate why they were there.

In contrast, our small city's BLM protest last week. Socially distanced, peaceful, mainly silent. It had been publicly cancelled due to dangerously high interest and I stumbled on it by chance while out food shopping but it was incredibly moving. There was no trouble whatsoever.

BLM protestors turned up today with Smoke bombs and beat a man up in Waterloo station.

Let's hope none of these fascists ever need hospital treatment or the help of any essential workers who are people of colour. Watching them speaking on c4 makes me ashamed to be British, most of them slurring their words and drunk, not that they have many brain cells anyway.

This was a time for us as the UK to put an end to our shameful colonial, violent, imperialist past and right some wrongs. It's shameful that these fascists and Nazis were allowed to represent us in this appalling way. They've undone the hard work so many Brits have put in demonstrating peacefully in blm movements up and down the country. These terrorists are the reason why the blm movement is so important. Can you even imagine how black people, their families, their children and other ethnic minorities must feel seeing these disgusting pigs parading around.

Your boring, yes of course everyone that doesn't agree with the protests is a fucking racist, I'm sick of it. Not everyone thinks about race!

It's called unconscious bias

pigeon999 I have specifically said that there was some violence with the BLM protests. I have not said all reports of it are fake. I specifically said that some were, and passed on information about some misinformation which is circulating.

Equality of opportunity is something we can all aim for. There are not many people that would not benefit from it. Britain is seeing a return to Old Corruption and nepotism. It's disheartening to see all the same old shit come back in one go.

@Persiaclementine why don't you think about race? I admit when I listened to the pod I linked above there was more than one moment where I had a "oh fuck I've never thought about it like that" - what I took from listening and seeking to educate myself was that I need to see race more not less, specifically I need to notice where all I see is white people and ask myself why is that?

Can you even imagine how black people, their families, their children and other ethnic minorities must feel seeing these disgusting pigs parading around.

I'm not surprised
I feel vindicated that people cannot deny these attitudes exist
I know the coverage over this will be minimised, glossed over, lots of false equivalency, both sides and whataboutery - not surprised
Lots of pseudo-intellectual nonsense of why they are right
Saddenedbbut not surprised

I'll say it again. The racists reveal their ignorance, hate and fear quickly when confronted by their diminishing support. The winds of change are blowing. They know this, they feel it as certainly as we do. They can see we will not give up, they can see our white friends standing side by side with us, they see the strength before them kneeling. They know this is equality charging through their barriers and deep down they know they are on the wrong side of history as we start a new, glorious chapter. If only they could understand, that everyone is welcome.

People are being urged not to be out in support of BLM tomorrow due to the aggressive nature of of the far-right group Yes,the BLM protests so far have been peaceful and non agressive,haven't they?

Indeed they have 99.9% peaceful from the BLM protest. We can proudly support that dignified resolve.

@myrtleWilson please consider signing this if you are interested in trying to push forward equal healthcare: petition.parliament.uk/petitions/301079 there has been a lot of work done over the past few years especially in this area (maternity care), but it's never gained enough traction. This would include ensuring that students are taught how to identify different presentations of conditions as standard, amongst other things.

There were thugs and there was violence on both sides (I heard it from a couple of female police officers who were there one of whom was attacked and hurt). It's not helpful that certain high status voices in BLM are calling for Churchill's statue to be removed. The vast, vast majority of British people are never going to accept a statue of Churchill being removed and attacking that cuts deep to the core. Yes he said some fucking stupid things but no one is perfect and he said what he did in a different era. We can't judge history on today's moral standards - thankfully society progresses - and the end of the day we are free to speak because of his actions. Systematic racism is a real issue and needs to be addressed - but in order to do this there needs to be a large wave of change across the wider community and targeting Churchill is not a good way to gain wider support - in fact I fear it has the opposite effect.

BLM are far left and no better or worse than the far right, they are both extremists. The BLM protests have been violent.

Oh my

BLM are not far left

There is no moral equivalence between BLM and the racist far right

Violent hangers on will always attach themselves to any protest

Thanks @Sandybval I'll take a look although I have to admit this guy may have changed my mind - he's so articulate and persuasive

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