WTAF - Far right protests

[Poppi89]

I have just heard on the radio that far-right protesters will be out tomorrow in response to the BLM protesters. People are being urged not to be out in support of BLM tomorrow due to the aggressive nature of the far-right group and BLM protests are being cancelled because of them.

I am outraged by this. The BLM protesters are asking for people to not be killed due to the colour of their skin. They have rightly or wrongly made a decision to put themselves at risk of COVID-19 to help spread this message - a lot of people have called them idiots etc for doing this.

The far-right protests are now also protesting in large groups (but not in response to a murder) and are 'known' for being aggressive. How is this acceptable?

I would like to hear from anyone who is planning to join/agree with these far-right protests and their reasons why?

So let's get it right. These twats arent brave 90 year olds who fought at dunkirk and are saddened. They're racist, predominantly young, white, predominantly men who are bored of lockdown and quite fancy an afternoon of getting pissed and battering the police and are delighted to be able to do so under the guise of 'protest', because they're sad little men with sad little lives and barely a brain cell between them.

Exactly! As was pointed out earlier on the thread...but dismissed as slurs against those brave monument defenders!

So here are some of those so-called defenders in action

Violence against police by groups protesting against BLM -

twitter.com/VinnieoDowd/status/1271774513831849985

Nice picture of some of the ‘monument defenders’ here, with a Britain First badge, with the tagline ‘taking our country back’ – even more confusing didn’t most of you say the people coming to counter the BLM marchers – who called off their protest btw in advance – weren’t far right or neo-nazis?
twitter.com/hopenothate/status/1271772683013931008/photo/1

And here’s more of those brave lads what are they defending here? Seems the free speech some of you were making such a fuss about, and how did they do that? Attacking a journalist, likely breaking his nose – interesting strategy…

twitter.com/OliDugmore/status/1271764830547070976

And here they are again… right charmers…

twitter.com/mattuthompson/status/1271774991454015489

Bottles, cans and smoke bombs thrown in the last half hour at police and their horses in Parliament Square by football firms/far-right protesters. Anyone who is thought to be media is also being threatened. Just so it’s clear the football firms will be the Democratic Football Lads’ Alliance – you know the group some of you are so keen on…

twitter.com/BBCDomC/status/1271782177336897536

Far right protesters in London have launched attacks on police horses, smoke cannister thrown along with bottles and cans – oh sorry should I say the brave monument defenders some of you have been so keen on….just so you’re clear…they’ve also been lobbing smoke canisters at police guarding the Cenotaph. Now I’m not clear on this, perhaps some of you from this thread could enlighten me, how exactly does attacking the police defending monuments work to help make sure those monuments are safe?

twitter.com/hopenothate/status/1271778269390610435

I can't wait to be told I'm racist for disagreeing with the protests after spending seven years of my life focusing on race research by someone who has read a few articles in the Guardian

If you have indeed done that then it's surprising that you're not aware that your perspective on the issue is one of a set of possible interpretations NOT an absolute truth. Or were you sleeping in when they covered that on your degree?

'And here they are again… right charmers…'

Yes, but again we had this last week with 'protestors' trying to set fire to the union jack and throw flares? We were all told patronisingly that with every protest you get trouble makers you see.

If last week some hadn't defaced monuments people wouldn't be so wound up.

should I say the brave monument defenders some of you have been so keen on
I think 'veterans' is the preferred term on this thread.

' are bored of lockdown and quite fancy an afternoon of getting pissed and battering the police and are delighted to be able to do so under the guise of 'protest'

While you are referring to this week the very same could be said of last week tbh

Pretty much. I said it last week and it applies this week. People are bored and it's an excuse for a day out. Throw alcohol, warm weather and pent up rage into the mix and you get trouble.

Yes it's like lockdown syndrome or something, no pubs open and people are bored. I bet once people have something to do it will all stop.

Well, if it's 'lockdown syndome', far right activists seem to suffer more than their fair share of it, even when there are no lockdowns . They have been at this for years. 'Syndrome' my arse.

You do get trouble makers, some of them professional Agents Provocateur at protests. The trouble makers today aren't protesting though.

They claimed to be going to "defend our monuments". But that was a lie. As every intelligent person knew. The Far Right fuckwits were just coming out to be violent. It's what they do.🤷‍♀️

They're not protesting injustice. They're not defending anything. They're just violent, white supremacists. Cant believe anyone really believed otherwise.

@Sparklesocks I didn’t say that wasn’t also bad?

You didn't say anything about it which is why I did (unless of course you have and I have missed it in which case I apologise).

If Churchill's statue is pulled down you will see rage like you have never witnessed in the UK. If you don't get that then you are massively ignorant. He wasn't perfect. He was a rich, privileged toff, but without him we would all now be dead or under Nazi rule. He was a master strategist, a great orator and a beacon of light that led us through the war to victory.

The leaders of BLM want his statue dragged down and humiliated, along with the Cenotaph. Honestly, it's one step down from going after our royal family. He's that respected. I'm glad people are defending it, as the police aren't.

Honestly, that will be the final straw for many tolerant Brits.

@getoffyourhighhorse this is the kind of thing I have to endure every time I go to a football match. Premeditated and organised. I don't like violent protest...but recognise when protest tips into violence and civil disobedience for a variety of reasons. This isn't a protest it's just a normal thugs day out...that is where it differs from last week.

Last time I went to a football match I had to listen to a group of them singing across the platform about South London being full of p and n* standard day out.. they're that ingrained in our society .

Yes, but again we had this last week with 'protestors' trying to set fire to the union jack and throw flares?
Last week you saw one protestor setting fire to a flag and a vanishingly small minority of people throwing flares. There is no excuse for this behaviour. What you also saw (or would have if you weren't looking through a particular lens) were literally tens of thousands of peaceful protestors.

We were all told patronisingly that with every protest you get trouble makers you see.
You do. Troublemakers will hang on the short-tails of most protests. What we have today though are thousands of men descending on the city with the express intention of causing trouble, following clear incitement by the racist leaders of EDL etc.

''Well, if it's 'lockdown syndome', far right activists seem to suffer more than their fair share of it, even when there are no lockdowns hmm. They have been at this for years. 'Syndrome' my arse.'

Yes you're right, wrong choice of words I do apologise. Not a syndrome rather clashes exacerbated by the current situation of people being bored.

I don't agree with those last week throwing missiles at horses or anyone doing a Hitler salute this week.

I do agree with people protesting peacefully about defaced monuments.

Churchill was a bloody terrible strategist. Norway, Greece, Crete, Singapore, Gallipoli.

He couldn’t have been that bad a strategist.

@SpocksEyebrows

If Churchill's statue is pulled down you will see rage like you have never witnessed in the UK. If you don't get that then you are massively ignorant. He wasn't perfect. He was a rich, privileged toff, but without him we would all now be dead or under Nazi rule. He was a master strategist, a great orator and a beacon of light that led us through the war to victory.

The leaders of BLM want his statue dragged down and humiliated, along with the Cenotaph. Honestly, it's one step down from going after our royal family. He's that respected. I'm glad people are defending it, as the police aren't.

Honestly, that will be the final straw for many tolerant Brits.

What are you tolerating as a 'tolerant brit'

Where is your source saying Churchill and Cenotaph will be pulled down?

Sort of helps when you have 30 million russians dying in front of the germans. He really was pretty bad-countless disasters and misuse of the navy. Gordon Corrigan (certainly not a lefty) has written some brilliant honest accounts of his fuckups.

And people like to gloss over the fact he was voted out by a huge margin in 45

@user1471565182

And people like to gloss over the fact he was voted out by a huge margin in 45

Nobody glosses over that. He was the right leader for war time. He wasn’t the right leader for rebuilding the country in the subsequent peace.

'He really was pretty bad-countless disasters and misuse of the navy.'

pretty bad

It's been said repeatedly this week but we'd all be speaking German and protests wouldn't even be allowed if it wasn't for him.

Yaxley-Lennon explicitly called his acolytes to action, urging them to protest on the same route and on the same day as the BLM protest

And now they've no opportunity to have a punch-up with BLM, the knuckle-dragging fascists are having a go at the police instead.

I wonder if all those defending them earlier in this thread still support them?

Whilst I watch the protests in amazement during the pandemic everyone could see the writing on the wall of what was coming next.For every action there is a reaction.Whilst no one ever could support the abuse that GF endured in america at the hands of the police he was no angel.None of us are.We all have faults and our lives may go astray.Our statues of people are all the same...they all had faults too.The overinding thing I find about the human race is that we are not perfet,no system of governance is perfect we find a way to rub along with each other in harmony and respect.No one race,colour or creed demands or is determined to be superiour to another we are all the same.Trying to do our best in our own lives to be the best people,friends and neighbours we can be.One all sides of the coin is intolerance and disrespet its a fact it will not go away or be altered because it is human nature.I would suggest instead of posturing and marches and violent protests we find a way forward for all communities to be more open,honest and fostering a sence of trust.Ignorance fuels fear and hatred.Far right,far left,mainstream its just labels.Why cant we all be decent and kind? The tiny factions that did so much damage to the BLM cause last week should have been rooted out and shamed by the very cause they proport to support,that would have been a start in the right direction.The idiots of the far right today will not be named and shamed either...there will be no winners on either side. Quietly we can change ourselves,quantify our ideals and be the best we can be the rest of it trying to out scream each other as to who is right and who is wrong ends up just being noise.And again we are in the middle of a pandemic if you want to be alive to make a difference i would think staying at home would be the best option...misplaced martyrs possibly dying arent going to be able to make a difference to anyone who ever they are.

Yes, I agree with their right to protest. I don't agree with their actions or ideologies, but can see why this has happened.