Are women allowed to be offended by Drag/ women face now then?

[Chosennone]

Things are changing. Strange times. Midst Pandemic. Horrific events in the USA. people are 'waking' up to oppression and inappropriateness within comedy.
If it is no longer seen as acceptable to wear any kind of black costume, seen in LB, LOG, Ant & Dec, surely it is time that a sensible debate could be had on Drag. Is it acceptable? Is it not a mockery of female features for comedy in the same way original blackface was?
If not, why not?

**Head not held

It’s not about not liking parts of it, it is a large part of what makes them similar.

Ask Eddie Redmayne and Daniel Radcliffe, they're answering on behalf of women these days

Actually comparable, not similar.

Black face should never have been ok Tbf it's gross

YES. I am hoping we will look back on this in years to come and realise how absolutely revolting and offensive it is

@BankofNook

Oftern overtly sexual, offensive regarding menstruation/vaginas.

I went to see a drag act with a group of friends as part of a hen night and it was like this. Lots of "jokes" about the stench of minge in the room, "jokes" about domestic violence where he singled out a women and made fun of her appearance before saying that with a body like that the only thump her husband must ever give her is across the face with his fist, "jokes" about weight where he commented about some women squeezing size 20 arses into size 8 Primark leggings, and so on. It was cruel and nasty rather than funny and none of these comments were directed towards any of the men in the room.

How was that received by the audience?

I find it offensive. And I do think it is comparable to black face.

Of course we aren't allowed to be offended! Unless we do it silently like good little women solely in the privacy of our own home and never voice it to another human being. No one gives a shit about sexism and misogyny (even most women apparently) so unless your willing to be branded as homophobic ect ect, then most of us just shut up. Which is sad but I don't see it changing any time soon.

Does this mean panto is dead?

Does Dame Edna count?
I really love Dame Edna!

Whilst I do find it offensive I don’t find it as offensive as ‘black face’ Black people are dying in horrific numbers due to the colour of their skin, whilst women are still experiencing oppression it cannot be compared to what’s happening to black people, especially in America at the moment. Right now the battle against racism seems more urgent to me.

@PaulineScrambledPhones

Women don’t count as people. Surely you know that by now?

Jesus Christ. Imagine going around thinking this. I feel sorry for you

I think it’s important to say here that the BLM campaign is long overdue. Calling out sexism and misogyny is in no way seeking to demote or diminish the importance of the BLM campaign.

I've been wondering if characters in The Mikado and Madama Butterfly can still be made up to look Japanese? In the absence of any suitable Japanese opera/operetta singers of course.

Then there's Ali Baba and Sinbad, popular in panto, people made up to look middle Eastern - in the absence of a real middle eastern actor of course. Trudeau did that when he was a student and it was dragged up in the press a couple of years back but nobody thinks Trudeau is a racist even if they think he's a prat so it died a death.

Interestingly, the Chinese-American actor, BD Wong (Dr George Huang in Law & Order and a scientist in one of the Jurassic films), played Madama Butterfly on Broadway some years ago - in the absence of a Japanese female opera singer of course. He won an award for his performance!

Drag is under scrutiny for it's offensiveness but not to women, to transwomen. I read that it has been banned from some pride events because it was triggering.

I hate it and yes, I find it offensive.

Then there's Ali Baba and Sinbad, popular in panto, people made up to look middle Eastern - in the absence of a real middle eastern actor of course.

Widow Twanky is skating on very thin ice.

Lots of groups have deeply misogynistic acts and beliefs as part of the their "culture" TheLastSaola, and I don't see why we should tolerate it from gay men any more than we would from anybody else. Having your own history of oppression does not give you the right to shit all over another group. I don't believe in moral relativism. If something is harmful and offensive that doesnt change just because you say "but it's part of my culture".

I find woman-face very offensive.
And it's shocking that it is still acceptable. Hopefully that will be toppled soon too.
Oh but hang on who does it affect? Men? No. Well it's fine then eh. NOT

Its vile and offensive to women. But who cares about them?

Why is it accepted that transwomen are offended by David Walliams insulting them with "I'm a laaaydeee" but not accepted that women are offended by drag insulting them with "She's so fishy"?

It's almost as if women don't matter.

@14yearsandcounting, the BLM campaign is urgent. But worldwide, women and girls are also dying in horrific numbers too including but not limited to DV and FGM.

The current momentum in the fight against systemic racism must march on; absolutely. That does not mean that systemic misogyny must be forgotten whilst we stand up to hideous racism.

14Years do you know how many females are killed by males each year?

There were over 200 women killed by male partners or ex partners in the UK just last year.

That isnt a little bit of discrimination, its 200+ dead women.

We dont need to do opression olympics between womens rights and BLM, but we do need to acknowledge the reality of women lives in our society

It definitely is a mockery of females BUT it’s politically incorrect to say so. So best we just be quite as accept it.