Are women allowed to be offended by Drag/ women face now then?

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Things are changing. Strange times. Midst Pandemic. Horrific events in the USA. people are 'waking' up to oppression and inappropriateness within comedy.
If it is no longer seen as acceptable to wear any kind of black costume, seen in LB, LOG, Ant & Dec, surely it is time that a sensible debate could be had on Drag. Is it acceptable? Is it not a mockery of female features for comedy in the same way original blackface was?
If not, why not?

Drag Queens highlight female inequality. Take Steve Coogan's Pauline Calf. I remember a joke where she says that she has to have her tits felt first before sex because "she's not a slag". Can you imagine ANY female comic saying that line without the audience feeling disgust and contempt for her / her character. However, said by a man in drag, hilarious!

Drag King acts in Victorian Music Hall were quite common. Female performers would dress up as and take the piss out of stereotypical men of the era. Does anyone remember Tipping The Velvet with Keely Hawes some years ago which covered this subject?

Now, the film White Chicks throws up a real conundrum. Two black guys dragging up as two dumb and shallow white women. How do we unpick that one?

Of course you can’t women are only there to duck and have babies- not have opinions or feelings.

If they were we would be demanding the burning of churches for Christianity’s role in fucking over women for millennia,

By the way I’m not actually that bothered by drag acts personally but I agree with the sentiment that it is no different to the current BLM movement. Women’s lives matter too. Over millennia women have been subjected to more death, pain and subordination than any other class of people.

Transwomen have to live as a woman to get their GRA

does that mean slobbing about in jeans and hoodies and having short hair ?
Oh silly me,
its a 1950's stereotype of a stepford wife that is required

Drag queens are another outdated stereotype

I don't really see how it's ever going to die out unfortunately.

It's not a celebration of womanhood, it's a denegration of womanhood.

It's a denigration of womanhood

I don't get it. You don't see women on TV wanting to dress up as men for fun, do you? I know women do drag also, but why are men dressed as women so popular?

No because it's fashionable to belittle and mock and humiliate women. Plus we don't want to make the men sad. That and they will probably call us hysterical and that it would go against equal rights or something

I think part of the reason it’s so popular is because of the kink element. There are far more men who get a kick out of dressing in women’s clothes than vice versa.

Exactly. Unfortunately it's a man's world.

I don’t know, have our overlords given us permission to be offended by it? I’m the wrong kind of woman to be allowed an opinion about these things.

I have been to few drag shoes on holiday and I didn't really like them and felt uncomfortable. The acts I have seen though seemed to ridicule men though not women.

I find it vile and often offensive. I don't understand the popularity of Mrs Browns Boys or Ru Paul's Drag Race etc but know lots of people think they are brilliant. Personally, I think the BBC needs to think about whether it should commission/show this outmoded and unpleasant form of programming as it tries to be so bloody woke about everything else.

It is offensive to women, but to say so would be classed as homophobic, so we can't win. Second class citizens.

I don't find it offensive at all, I really enjoy the art of drag but that's partly because several of my closest friends are drag performers so it's nowhere near as alien to me as it would be others.

My friends are the kindest warmest people I've ever met - they wouldn't be my friends otherwise.

But I accept its uncomfortable and/or offensive to some. We cannot deny anyone their opinions or feelings. However I don't think drag will be leaving any time soon, its extremely popular. Now more than ever.

This is such a stupid and offensive question, managing to be both racist and homophobic at the same time.

Are you OK with drag acts making ‘jokes’ about domestic violence, or talking about the ‘smell of minge’ in the room - as a previous poster described? What about the term ‘fishy’, to refer to a drag act who passes really well - the ‘joke’ they look so female you can smell the fishy smell of their flaps - because all women’s minges smell nasty.

What about the drag act who simulated an abortion on stage? Or the unpleasant names some of them have - like Anna abortion, and the others mentioned up-thread?

Or the child drag acts? Children dressed in heavy drag, dancing for rooms full of men, or being posed alongside a naked man?

I find all of these things vile and they taint drag beyond rescue for me.

Sorry - those questions were for @Notimeforaname.

I have never seen a drag performance where such horrid things were said. Ever.

As I said many of my friends are drag artists. I've been around it for about 18 years. Never once have I heard such horrible things being said. All drag performers I've seen lip sync and make occasional jokes about current affairs.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius I could name at least 20 drag artist I know personally.... Never once, not one single time has anything you've said in your post, come up. I don't know who's doing that stuff but I've never experienced it.

You are so very right, that is disgusting. I wouldn't agree with any human saying and doing the things you mentioned. Absolutely Horrid!

I don't watch drag if I can help it but a reference to fishy was made on the big fat quiz of the year. Mainstream TV. So just 'cos you claim not to have seen such shit, doesn't mean it ain't mainstream.

@SaraLundsHairyJumper please explain to those of us who find Drag offensive and demeaning to women how we are therefore both racist and homophobic.