Are women allowed to be offended by Drag/ women face now then?

[Chosennone]

Things are changing. Strange times. Midst Pandemic. Horrific events in the USA. people are 'waking' up to oppression and inappropriateness within comedy.
If it is no longer seen as acceptable to wear any kind of black costume, seen in LB, LOG, Ant & Dec, surely it is time that a sensible debate could be had on Drag. Is it acceptable? Is it not a mockery of female features for comedy in the same way original blackface was?
If not, why not?

I had no idea that drag brunches were a thing until someone told me about one they'd been to.

Drag queen

Stupid phone

Surely you know, us women aren't allowed to be upset about anything because we're just going to be called "sensitive" at best or "hysterical" at worst!

I don't mind it

@growinggreyer scolding? Really? That’s such a misogynistic word, used to oppress and control women who say things we don’t want to hear. We’re all expressing our opinions and I’m at least trying to be polite.

You are the second person this week telling me off about my lack of politeness. Maybe I am allowed to be angry? Maybe I am allowed to speak my mind? You want to defend men dressing up as women and performing crude sexual moves but you complain about my language.

mobile.twitter.com/demure_kitty/status/1218697036515532800?lang=en

Here.

Kitty demure is their name

I'm not offended by drag because I am confident in my own identity as a woman to know that a drag artist is absolutely nothing short of a ridiculous parody. They can be funny or not- that depends on the individual and their jokes. The drag itself it not funny but it's not offensive unless you think you really are like that as a woman!

I don’t find drag offensive because I perceive it as mocking gender stereotypes and gender based assumptions... I can also see why some people find drag problematic. But makeup and dresses And fashion can be changed and don’t make us women, so I don’t see what the problem is with mocking them.

If it is only about gender stereotypes and make-up and dresses, why do dag artists use fake breasts and hips? Surely that is making it about women?

@littlejalapeno

Both. You can avoid what you don’t want to see, and when presented with it unexpectedly stand against it.

Why don’t you go write to your MP instead of playing silly buggers with a stranger on the Internet?

You assume we haven't?

Why would you assume that?
Frankly I'm sure my MP is utterly fucked off with me emailing by now

@14yearsandcounting

Whilst I do find it offensive I don’t find it as offensive as ‘black face’ Black people are dying in horrific numbers due to the colour of their skin, whilst women are still experiencing oppression it cannot be compared to what’s happening to black people, especially in America at the moment. Right now the battle against racism seems more urgent to me.

It's not either or though is it? Women are being killed in their numbers as well. We can champion both causes at the same time can we not? It's not a gotcha game of what is more offensive. Black Face and Women Face are both offensive.

According to Pride.com, the funniest ever drag names include:

Anna Bortion
Freida Slavery
Avery Goodlay
Malestia Child
Annie B. Frank
Phallic Cunt
Olive D. Cox

I find them all offensive rather than funny. I also find the fact that another drag queen "performed an abortion" on themselves live on stage, to be horrific. I don't mind posting a link to Penis News because they are heading for financial ruin regardless 😂

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/10/31/drag-queen-blair-back-abortion-halloween-christian-new-york/

Penis News claims that "the bulk of backlash came from anti-abortion groups", as if most people wouldn't find it disgustingly offensive.

We should all start speaking out about Womanface, and refusing to watch it.

MarshaBradyo Fri 12-Jun-20 15:15:41
I'm a big believer that if something offends you, don't watch it.

The trouble with this is that you could say the same for black face. People did find this entertaining.
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They did. When I was a child 'The Black and White Minstrel Show' was on TV every week. I never took much notice because I didn't like variety type shows anyway but as I got a bit older it made me positively cringe with embarrassment. Nobody thought anything of it though, adults I mean. It was considered acceptable.

@theDudesmummy

I have always found drag unfunny and repellent, and don't get how it is not seen as highly offensive to women. I don't get, for example, how it is OK to have RuPaul's Drag race on prime time TV.

Normalising the misogyny - prime time telly isn't it.

@Bananabixfloof that was directed at someone specifically. I’m glad you’ve contacted your MP, I’ve done the same.

@growinggreyer no I was saying don’t tell me I’m scolding as it’s a word traditionally used to silence women.

Better than that - a fat woman - hilarious!!

I was actually shocked when I saw ads for this show appearing while my little one was watching something else at a completely normal time for children. Hypersexualised misogyny as children's entertainment? How?

@Diptheria23

Better than that - a fat woman - hilarious!!

meant to connect this to the earlier comment about David Williams. His blackface character was also a sexually rapacious fat woman - all the stereotypes in one.

@SquashedSpring

“ If it is only about gender stereotypes and make-up and dresses, why do dag artists use fake breasts and hips? Surely that is making it about women?”

For caricature. Sometimes positive and done well, sometimes the opposite. I’ve also seen fake pecs and fake broad shoulders and fake beards...

@LittleCabbage

According to Pride.com, the funniest ever drag names include:

Anna Bortion
Freida Slavery
Avery Goodlay
Malestia Child
Annie B. Frank
Phallic Cunt
Olive D. Cox

I find them all offensive rather than funny. I also find the fact that another drag queen "performed an abortion" on themselves live on stage, to be horrific. I don't mind posting a link to Penis News because they are heading for financial ruin regardless 😂

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/10/31/drag-queen-blair-back-abortion-halloween-christian-new-york/

Penis News claims that "the bulk of backlash came from anti-abortion groups", as if most people wouldn't find it disgustingly offensive.

We should all start speaking out about Womanface, and refusing to watch it.

Those names are deeply offensive

And as for the linked article... I find it inconceivable that any decent human could be anything other than disgusted by such a display.

I vaguely remember the Black and White Minstrels. Men blacked up doing song and dance routines. Rooted in laughing at black faces.

Woman face - hilarious and not at all rooted in finding women revolting or laughable

@FreakStar

I'm not offended by drag because I am confident in my own identity as a woman to know that a drag artist is absolutely nothing short of a ridiculous parody. They can be funny or not- that depends on the individual and their jokes. The drag itself it not funny but it's not offensive unless you think you really are like that as a woman!

And whilst that's fine, it's also fine for other "confident in their own identity women" to oppose drag and suggest it is inherently wrong. This isn't to do with confidence. It's to do with opinion.

I don't enjoy drag. I don't see the point in it, nor the humour. I'd say I'm very confident in my identity as a woman but I'd also say that men dressing as ridiculous parodies of women has had its day and does nothing to help progress or support womens rights, womens safety and womens lives.

It's a very 1980's way of expressing something that's best left unsaid.

I had not heard of this drag queen story thing for kids. I am horrified. WTAF?

I expect there's a section of society out there that DO find the Black and White minstrels entertaining and would still like them to be on the telly.

I find drag as incomprehensible as dogging, or watching men knock seven bells out of each other in a boxing ring, or dog fighting, or women sitting in windows in the red light districts, waiting to be bought. Although I'd rather the men hit each other than hit women, so that's a positive of boxing, I suppose.

Drag Queen Story Time is fucking terrifying.

losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/10/16/draq-queen-library-lgtbq-kids/