Are women allowed to be offended by Drag/ women face now then?

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Things are changing. Strange times. Midst Pandemic. Horrific events in the USA. people are 'waking' up to oppression and inappropriateness within comedy.
If it is no longer seen as acceptable to wear any kind of black costume, seen in LB, LOG, Ant & Dec, surely it is time that a sensible debate could be had on Drag. Is it acceptable? Is it not a mockery of female features for comedy in the same way original blackface was?
If not, why not?

Black people are dying in horrific numbers due to the colour of their skin, whilst women are still experiencing oppression it cannot be compared to what’s happening to black people

Women are killed every day just because they are women. There is no difference between racism and sexism (and black women obviously have it worst).

littlecabbage I came on here to mention the abortion ‘act’.

I also remember this interview with RuPaul.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2018/mar/03/rupaul-drag-race-big-f-you-to-male-dominated-culture
There is so much to unpick there.

My own opinion is that whilst I appreciate that some drag acts are talented at acting, singing, dressmaking (the list goes on), I have an uneasy feeling that where it was once a niche area of expression, it seems that every Tom, Dick and Harry wants to have a go at dressing up as a woman now and if you don’t laugh at every joke and marvel at all the glitter then you are a bigot, a moron etc. and don’t ‘get it’.
The more saturated the market is, the more shocking and obscure acts become. The more people think that the lesser offensive jokes are not as bad as other jokes so it becomes more acceptable until you have kids competing as drag girls/women (idk?) and it’s all in good fun!

Holy fuck

Anyone who subjects their child to something like that, almost guaranteed to induce nightmares, should be prosecuted for child cruelty. Christ.

@growinggreyer no I was saying don’t tell me I’m scolding as it’s a word traditionally used to silence women.

Yes, I know. And I used the word deliberately. It was chosen with that in mind. You are here scolding women. You are a scold.

I find drag offensive.

I've previously complained to the BBC about Ru Paul's Drag race and been fobbed off.

I complained to C4's Big Fat Quiz when a drag Queen used the derogatory term "fishy" and been fobbed off.

Each time I've been patronised and told by male executives that drag is not offensive. I'm sure one of the Rules of Misogyny covers this. Men tell women that drag is not offensive, therefore ot cannot be offensive.

#womanisnotacostume

Not keen on drag in general, especially Mrs Brown's Boys, but I wasn't offended by Dustin Hoffman in Tootsie, as the characterisation was believable.

As for these child drag queens - I think they're awful, but I don't find them any less acceptable than the dolled-up little girls who do beauty pageants.

@growinggreyer that’s quite upsetting actually. There’s no need to make it personal because I disagree with you. Please never do this to someone in your real life. I’m going to go cuddle my kid now. Bye.

The worst thing about the drag queen culture is that actual women are modelling themselves on it! From the ridiculous make-up and hair and exaggerated sexualised clothing to the 'work it bitch' attitude.

Have they become a parody of themselves?

I think the fact that most of the cast on Mrs Brown are related is the oddest part. I remember the awful racist sitcoms in the seventies, but the misogyny of On the Buses was amazing - I accidentally saw an episode on an ITV channel recently.

The thing that makes drag so ‘hilarious’ is that the ‘women’ speak their mind and are crass and don’t care who they offend which is the opposite of how women actually behave, hence this conversation on a mainly female board and not the world stage! Be kind, after all! We are even supposed to allow our rights marches and events to be hi-jacked by trans activists at the detriment of women. Very different to the current (and correct) condemnation of ‘all lives matter’.

There are different types of drag, there are the drag artists who make the rude comments and then there are the ones who are very polite, well spoken and look better than any other female on the room. Whether a drag artist chooses to be offensive or demure is personal choice, just like the choice we all make every day when we decide to be kind or be vile to people so I think that placing all drag artists in the same group is derogatory and offensive to the artists who don't belong there.

I wish drag artists would stop. If it really is a "celebration of womanhood" then why do they continue to do it when so many women find it offensive?

It's also punching down, because it's men taking the piss out of a class who are less privileged.

If it means Mrs Browns Boys is binned then I'm happy to claim that I'm offended (in seriousness, I asked the exact same question on another forum this morning)

Punching down is exactly right.

The people who can't see this are probably the same people who believe "it's all equal now", or my dsis's favourite "feminism has gone too far"

I don't buy the origins of it and its place in gay culture making it acceptable now. Things have moved on. History curriculums are being rewritten, TV programmes removed from steaming services and statues taken down because in today's context they aren't appropriate. It has been discussed on here many times that there is a lot of misogyny in certain parts of the gay community. Time for them to update.

In my younger days I didn't have a problem with it but then again I really didn't have a clue. I really dislike it now.

Drag is mocking gender stereotypes

Gender stereotypes like the smell of womens genitals? Or domestic abuse? Maybe having abortions?

@SarahTancredi

However, one thing that seems to be missed in these threads about drag is that drag queens are not generally mocking women - they are taking a lifetime of being mocked for their feminine characteristics (another symptom of misogyny in society) and empowering themselves by embracing those "feminine" characteristics

And the fake boobs and vagina jokes?

Erm, you know you have selectively quoted there. The paragraph before clearly said that some drag queens are misoginistic...

@theDudesmummy

I had not heard of this drag queen story thing for kids. I am horrified. WTAF?

We have our very own politicians arranging it. A female politician no less... www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/2037892/john-swinney-condemns-drag-queens-visit-to-school-and-distances-himself-from-snp-mp-mhairi-blacks-views/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">reaction.life/mhairi-black-flowjob-the-drag-queen-and-an-unfortunate-incident-at-a-paisley-primary-school/www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/2037892/john-swinney-condemns-drag-queens-visit-to-school-and-distances-himself-from-snp-mp-mhairi-blacks-views/

sorry those links won't work as joined together
again
www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/2037892/john-swinney-condemns-drag-queens-visit-to-school-and-distances-himself-from-snp-mp-mhairi-blacks-views/

www.spectator.co.uk/article/mhairi-black-s-drag-queen-stunt-has-backfired-spectacularly

reaction.life/mhairi-black-flowjob-the-drag-queen-and-an-unfortunate-incident-at-a-paisley-primary-school/

No because as women are opinions or thoughts don't count

Im quite heartened to see the votes. It seems that women's voices are silenced on sex and gender more than ever. There is an overwhelming push towards ever more extreme gender stereotyping that is extremely regressive. Drag plays into this.

Love drag! Know a girl who does drag as a drag king - great for sending up gender stereotypes. Don’t watch the misogynistic drag tbh.

What I like is that ideas of “femininity” have been imposed on women, and “masculinity” on men. Well I LOVE girly things but not being bound by them or expected to live up to them.

So I love seeing everyone do drag, inc drag kings.

Ps have I complained about misogynistic drag before? Yes, to a manager whose act was offensive. And I would again, but it’s been in the minority. Does anyone like child drag artists esp in clubs (!!!!!).... no, drag artists have complained about this numerous times and called it out as abuse. Some parents love to parade their kids in very inappropriate places :(

Love drag!

So are there to be no characatures of anyone anymore -no Kevin the teenager, no granny with greyed hair, etc...

All crazy to me.

kazillionaire very well said. I agree completely