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Original poster

To feel like we are just existing now

792 replies

Ghostlyglow · 12/06/2020 07:58

In a miserable, joyless world of queues and masks. A couple of friends have lost their jobs this week. Where are we going with this?When will it end?

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DisobedientHamster · 13/06/2020 14:43

. . . whispers, 'What if there is NO second wave? . . . what are the Dementors going to do!

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 13/06/2020 14:46

@DisobedientHamster

. . . whispers, 'What if there is NO second wave? . . . what are the Dementors going to do!
It will be amazing if that happens.

Surely the prudent course is to do everything to avoid a second wave rather than wait until it's here and then wish we'd done things differently?

letsgomaths · 13/06/2020 14:53

With these compulsory masks, would we be allowed to wear the ones which are a transparent visor? I wouldn't mind those; it's the ones which hide your nose and mouth from view which I find creepy.

Sunnydays123456 · 13/06/2020 14:57

Am soooooo sick of second wave talk

It’s the new cry of the dementors !

Nihiloxica · 13/06/2020 15:03

Surely the prudent course is to do everything to avoid a second wave

That would be prudent if the only thing that mattered was one virus.

In a world with other considerations, risks, values, and vulnerabilities, doing "everything possible" to avoid one outcome is kind of insane.

Sunnydays123456 · 13/06/2020 15:04

@nihiloxia - exactly

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 13/06/2020 15:13

That would be prudent if the only thing that mattered was one virus.

Reading the news and posts on here you'd think it was.

A question for those in favour of mask wearing. Are you hoping that we have to wear them permanently like in some other countries or are you hoping it's a temporary measure?

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 13/06/2020 15:18

@Nihiloxica

Surely the prudent course is to do everything to avoid a second wave

That would be prudent if the only thing that mattered was one virus.

In a world with other considerations, risks, values, and vulnerabilities, doing "everything possible" to avoid one outcome is kind of insane.

Ok. So, how would you expect a second wave to be handled? What would you expect the impact of a second wave to be if no preventative steps are taken? What losses would you consider acceptable?

Would you think it acceptable for people to have to remain at home, regardless of their condition, if hospitals are full for example?

Would you accept all businesses closing if too many of their workforce got sick, or would you expect workers come to work sick?

Allflightscancelled · 13/06/2020 15:18

Genuine question here so would be grateful for a non-snippy answer, even though I'm sure it's been covered before. If German people are going to restaurants and bars in masks how the hell do they eat and drink? And if they take them off, what's the point in wearing them? I'm not getting this at all

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 13/06/2020 15:21

A question for those in favour of mask wearing. Are you hoping that we have to wear them permanently like in some other countries or are you hoping it's a temporary measure

I'm not in favour of mask wearing. I'm in favour of us staying locked down for another two weeks until infection rates dropped to a level that track and trace could handle. I'm in favour of us having a proper track and trace system.

However, we haven't done that so I can't see how we can just do nothing. Doing nothing isn't an option.

Toddlerteaplease · 13/06/2020 15:35

We are learning how to treat it. So even if no vaccine Is found. It will be better managed so it won't be the huge threat it was at the start. But I agree that life is joyless now. We are in danger of the cure being worse than the disease. The vast many of the prying my hospital with it, probably would have died from their underlying conditions within the next year anyway.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 13/06/2020 15:37

The vast many of the prying my hospital with it, probably would have died from their underlying conditions within the next year anyway.

Really? Where can you access this data from?

DameHannahRelf · 13/06/2020 15:41

Life hasn't changed that much for me, I was skint and bored, but content before lockdown, and still am. But I lost a day this week Confused. I woke up feeling wide awake for a change, at 5.00am this morning, convinced it was Friday, until I noticed my phone said it was Saturday, which I checked and it is? But I was so sure the night before was Thursday, and the night before that Wednesday..? Ds spent an extra few hours on his school work on Mon and Tues, when the weather was bad, and managed to finish his set work for the work. So it really has been like groundhog day the last few days. We have a daily routine, but all the days just blur into now. I've started ordering a monthly shop online, which at least makes food easy, and at least it disappearing, slowly but surely, gives some sense of time passing.

I want to be able hug my family again. We've started going on socially distant walks together, which is something at least, and I'm reading at lot more, now I have the time. I'm managing to stay mostly positive (although maybe not completely sane).

slavetothenhs · 13/06/2020 15:47

The patients that I looked after who died of/with CV (I worked on a CV ward at the beginning of the epidemic) would certainly have all died within the next year or so of their associated co-morbidities (advanced age, dementia, diabetes, heart issues etc etc) - if CV hadn't come along and nudged them off the proverbial cliff then something else would. The odd "younger" patient we had was by far in the minority.

slavetothenhs · 13/06/2020 15:51

In some ways things aren't different for me, in others they are, and I've been feeling increasingly fed up at the prospect of life being this way for the foreseeable. I'm sick of queuing and not being able to go anywhere, sick of watching my DD's mental health slide through lack of contact with her friends and not going to school. I feel sick at the prospect of what's going to happen to the economy and the knock on effects for us all. While I have every sympathy for those who have lost their lives to this virus, and their loved ones, i do ask myself whether it's all been worth it?

DameHannahRelf · 13/06/2020 15:53

*into one

Allflightscancelled · 13/06/2020 16:03

My DH has lost his job because of this. He was the main earner but I've also lost about half of mine (I'm freelance). We are now skint and living a joyless existence with no idea if or when we can get more work. DH is in his 50s. So while I have bags of sympathy for vulnerable people and my heart goes out to those who've lost loved ones I really feel that we have already given everything we could - and more - to this bloody thing. I refuse to be called heartless or unrealistic for saying I want lockdown to end before the country implodes completely.

Original poster
Ghostlyglow · 13/06/2020 16:19

@skybluee If your life has always been like this and you like it then good for you Smile I hate what my life has become.

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Homemadeandfromscratch · 13/06/2020 16:23

I refuse to be called heartless or unrealistic for saying I want lockdown to end

we all do. The worry is that ending too soon, after not enough restrictions and the whole thing starts again. If the choice is either reopening everything but with masks and screens, or not opening at all, I know which one I'd chose.

It's been 3 months..you'd think people had to stay locked up for years and are revolting. Nope, 3 little months and whatever lockdown we had is being lifted. Still, the petulant dementors have to throw a tantrum. good grief, the lack of resilience is embarrassing in this country.

tobee · 13/06/2020 16:23

Sorry to hear that Allflightscancelled. And for everyone suffering in any way. I'm fed up with people leaping in to judge whether others are allowed to feel miserable or not. And to what extent.

tobee · 13/06/2020 16:25

good grief, the lack of resilience is embarrassing in this country."

As is the amount of judgemental people on this site.

Defenbaker · 13/06/2020 16:28

Life has become a bit tedious, I agree. Days all blur into one and the news is very depressing. DH and I have been furloughed for weeks and I've been told I may remain on furlough until the end of October. We have no money worries or childcare issues, and we haven't lost anyone to Covid, so I'm aware that our problems of boredom and social isolation are nothing in comparison to what others are going through, but it is hard to stay positive right now. I miss work and I'm worried for the future of society as the economy nosedives and people get frustrated and desperate. Some of the thuggish behaviour during the ongoing protests is pretty frightening and could lead to serious civil unrest occurring.

On the plus side, I'm thankful we had great spring weather and for the furlough scheme, which has probably kept many people on an even keel. I appreciate the way that our NHS has stepped up to the challenge of the pandemic, and am thankful to live in a country that has a much better healthcare system than many others. But the worry of not knowing how or when this situation will end is ongoing and must be 10 times worse for those with children. Worrying times, but humans are very resiliant and adaptable, so hopefully we will find a way through it all, somehow.

tobee · 13/06/2020 16:28

Or rather, I should say, I could say the same about the judgemental people on this site.

Homemadeandfromscratch · 13/06/2020 16:29

As is the amount of judgemental people on this site.
the so-called lockdown started on the 23rd March. This year! It hasn't even be 3 months...

tobee · 13/06/2020 16:30

Really? I had no idea! Hmm