#IStandWithJKRowling

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Appears not to be trending on Twitter, despite the huge number of tweets in response to J K Rowling's tweet.

AIBU to think that Twitter is a bunch of fiddling, dishonest cheats?

@BiggestJulie

See www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3937362-mermaids-response-to-jk-rowling?

I think you’ll find plenty of reasoned, well though out, and referenced refutations to your OP that ‘Mermaids, a charity that supports trans young people, wrote a measured and respectful response to JKR’s blog, and I think it is worth reading as a contribution to the debate.‘

Just sharing this on here because I just heartily laughed and I'm sure some of you will appreciate...

I was just saying to DH that my period is due and that I am feeling hormonal. He replied 'well you are allowed to feel grumpy, you are one of those things that menstruates'

He's very much onside so this was an informed 'in the context of this week's events' joke btw.

Julie I was responding specifically to your claim about surgery on under 18s, which you said "simply does not happen". This is false - it has happened in the recent past; the rules in this country have only recently been changed to prevent it from happening again; Mermaids criticised this rule change and are actively campaigning for it to be reversed.

Those on all sides of this debate need to educate themselves beyond media headlines

This would be wonderful if media headlines weren't so incredibly biased towards the TRA view.

I actually googled 'supporters of JK Rowling' earlier today - there are many of them out there, including well known people and members of the trans community.

This was the result...as you can imagine they didn't get any better after page 1

Of course the actions of the senior people are relevant!

@digbee and I was responding to posters who claimed it happened to 4 year olds and was “child abuse”.

Gender changing surgery in this country does not happen to under 18s and the post I referenced from Mermaids states this without complaint or response.

I do not have extensive knowledge of this but would be astonished to hear that it ever happened without strong clinical reasons from medical practitioners.

Let us please not reduce the conversation to extraordinary cases. I am pretty sure that that is not what JKR was talking about - or any reasoned person, for that matter.

Gender changing surgery in this country does not happen to under 18s and the post I referenced from Mermaids states this without complaint or response.

Not in the UK no, they took their child to Thailand at 15, for surgery on the day of their 16th birthday.
Thailand has now made this surgery illegal.
Mermaids UK still prescribes or promotes the use of off label meds to under 16 year olds, regardless of any research.

I do not have extensive knowledge of this but would be astonished to hear that it ever happened without strong clinical reasons from medical practitioners.

If you have no knowledge, I suggest you sit down, and educate yourself.

Let us please not reduce the conversation to extraordinary cases. I am pretty sure that that is not what JKR was talking about - or any reasoned person, for that matter.

Or, please ignore any uncomfortable, irreconcilable truths that might get in the way of my argument.

Julie read the thread that debunks the Mermaids letter. Then come back here.

@itslatehumpty : surgical intervention for under 18s does not happen in this country. That is a fact. I do not need to educate myself further on that matter.

A previous poster stated that this was a recent change in the law. I simply replied that I did not have extensive knowledge on precisely what had happened previous to that law change, but that I would be extremely surprised to learn that it ever happend in this country except in extraordinary circumstances and without clear medical reasons.

If you have instances that refute that claim, please do help me to educate myself. If you don’t have any, then you might be well advised to educate yourself.

And you will have to do better than your hand waving last paragraph if you would like me to address any actual arguments.

[quote BiggestJulie]@itslatehumpty : surgical intervention for under 18s does not happen in this country. That is a fact. I do not need to educate myself further on that matter.

A previous poster stated that this was a recent change in the law. I simply replied that I did not have extensive knowledge on precisely what had happened previous to that law change, but that I would be extremely surprised to learn that it ever happend in this country except in extraordinary circumstances and without clear medical reasons.

If you have instances that refute that claim, please do help me to educate myself. If you don’t have any, then you might be well advised to educate yourself.

And you will have to do better than your hand waving last paragraph if you would like me to address any actual arguments.[/quote]
Was that your last nerve?

Please send it in a post-it and maybe I’ll continue to refute your appropriating and hand waving of actual female rights.

Sucks to be you.

Are we over the playground insults now?

Sit down. Educate yourself. See www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3937362-mermaids-response-to-jk-rowling?

For plenty of reasoned, well though out, and referenced refutations to your OP that ‘Mermaids, a charity that supports trans young people, wrote a measured and respectful response to JKR’s blog, and I think it is worth reading as a contribution to the debate.‘

The funny thing about puberty blockers:

The reason they are given this hormone therapy is so that if they ultimately do decide to “transition” fully, they are able to feel much more comfortable, and be much more likely to be widely accepted in society, in their transition bodies.

This is actually only really true for boys want to transition to girls. Their bodies are kept like preteens until they decide to move to cross sex hormones to induce a more feminine appearance. So these boys do not experience a height surge, a deepening of the voice, broadening of the shoulders. By giving blockers they can stay in appearance, height etc like girls.

For girls who want to transition to a boy, puberty blockers actually will only deepen the chasm with boys as they will stay childlike whilst boys develop height, muscle mass, deepening of the voice. Making the girls who want to transition to boys feel evem more of an outcast as the appearance to boys widens. This shows rhe whole puberty blockers treatment is geared towards male children.

Wonder if the next push is to let girls who want to transition to boys, start taking male hormones earlier to stop that widening of natural development chasm.

@TinyPigeon “shit books” 🤣🤣🤣
Such shit books that they’re best sellers around the world.

@ItsLateHumpty I don’t think you want to go education head to head with me, but I don’t think anyone reading my posts could imagine that I have even murmured a single “playground insult”. (If you have noted one, could you give an example, please?)

Actually, it was you who said “Sucks to be you.”. I am not entirely clear what that means, but it does sound just a wee bit reminiscent of the playground, don’t you think?

In the meantime, I continue to urge you to read Mermaid’s response to JKR, if you have not already done so. I have absolutely no vested interest in Mermaid, though I have known about it for some years through my daughter’s academic research, but I found their response, as I have said before, measured, reasonable and empathic.

If you have read it, and you have further arguments addressing their soecific points responding the JKR, then I would be interested in hearing them in this space.

In the meantime, I continue to urge you to read Mermaid’s response to JKR, if you have not already done so.

Julie everyone in this thread HAS read Mermaid's response. That's kind of the point being made here. Their response is factually incorrect. Several posters have given you a direct link - a mere single click - to the thread which looks at their points and refuted every single one. You're the only on here that doesn't seem to have done that, and we're wondering why.

[quote BiggestJulie]@ItsLateHumpty I don’t think you want to go education head to head with me, but I don’t think anyone reading my posts could imagine that I have even murmured a single “playground insult”. (If you have noted one, could you give an example, please?)

Actually, it was you who said “Sucks to be you.”. I am not entirely clear what that means, but it does sound just a wee bit reminiscent of the playground, don’t you think?

In the meantime, I continue to urge you to read Mermaid’s response to JKR, if you have not already done so. I have absolutely no vested interest in Mermaid, though I have known about it for some years through my daughter’s academic research, but I found their response, as I have said before, measured, reasonable and empathic.

If you have read it, and you have further arguments addressing their soecific points responding the JKR, then I would be interested in hearing them in this space.[/quote]
Hahahahaha ok boomer @BiggestJulie head to head, shake mine.

Come back when you know more. See www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me?

Hehehehe

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3937362-mermaids-response-to-jk-rowling?

@itslatehumpty : Come back yourself when you actually have an argument or a point to make.

@titchy sadly I think it is highly unlikely that most people have read Mermaid’s response. I have read this full thread and the only person who specifically referenced it (to my recollection - I freely admit I could be wrong) said they got too bored and gave up partly through.

[quote BiggestJulie]@itslatehumpty : Come back yourself when you actually have an argument or a point to make.

@titchy sadly I think it is highly unlikely that most people have read Mermaid’s response. I have read this full thread and the only person who specifically referenced it (to my recollection - I freely admit I could be wrong) said they got too bored and gave up partly through.[/quote]
OK boomer x

If a small percentage of people are born in the wrong body....that must mean that 99% of baby girls have female gendered brains and 99% of baby boys have male gendered brains that match their biological sex. Is there a wealth of scientific research out there that has found it can differentiate sexed brains at birth?

I’m sure such research would help stop the accidental femicide of the thousands of babies aborted or left to die after birth that actually ID as male.

Sex-selective abortions may have stopped the birth of 23 million girls, so if only 1% ID as male, that’s 230,000 transboys murdered by mistake.

Read more: www.newscientist.com/article/2199874-sex-selective-abortions-may-have-stopped-the-birth-of-23-million-girls/#ixzz6PDR3z13i

#waronwomen #IStandWithJKR

See www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3937362-mermaids-response-to-jk-rowling?

I think you’ll find plenty of reasoned, well though out, and referenced refutations to your OP that ‘Mermaids, a charity that supports trans young people, wrote a measured and respectful response to JKR’s blog, and I think it is worth reading as a contribution to the debate.‘

Go well.

Have you read the thread which critique's the Mermaid's response? It's a simple enough question. Have you?

some of this is pure laziness where people jump on the bandwagon without actually reading what people write. It happens to politicians a lot as well . Just take one bit out of context to prove your own point .

I honestly can not see what she has written is transphobic. If anything it should instigate a sensible conversation about the legal aspects and how they can be solved. But no it just results in mass hysteria. I miss sensible discussions .

I stand with her. I have trans friends. They stand with her too.

@titchy thanks for putting your head above the parapet. It’s really hard, but I saw you there and it helped carry me on :)

As for BiggestJulie threatening “I don’t think you want to go education head to head with me,...”

Ummm I call dumb arse.

@titchy

Have you read the thread which critique's the Mermaid's response? It's a simple enough question. Have you?

Simple enough answer to simple enough question.

“Yes”

Was very insensitive of her to post that during pride month. She knew exactly what she was doing.

But I don't agree with the threats she has received.

Julie - Good. Do you still think the Mermaid's response is accurate and truthful?

Thanks Humpty!