#IStandWithJKRowling

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Appears not to be trending on Twitter, despite the huge number of tweets in response to J K Rowling's tweet.

AIBU to think that Twitter is a bunch of fiddling, dishonest cheats?

You lot are so ridiculous. There's a reason the papers have been scouring MN for these threads. To take the piss out of.

I agree with Jk Rowling - trans women are not women ! I wish them all the best living as trans women but they will never be women.

This is NOT what JKR said, and it is exactly people putting these words in her mouth that have her receiving all the abuse shes been getting. She has approached the subject with a lot of empathy and compassion, and never once has said trans women are not women - I have yet to see anything that remotely resembles hate towards the trans community. She has clearly supported trans rights but refuses to accept that they must come to the detriment of women's rights.

Transwomen will never be women and trans men will never be men. Fact.

Rowling is being abused left and right for not shutting up and sitting down like a good little woman.

Transphobia seems to be thrown at anyone who doesn't agree with a man in a dress thinking he has a 'female penis'. 🤦🏼‍♀️

The 'wrong body' thing is also offensive even if you do believe in souls.

I have a physical disability. It's fairly mild, as these things go, but as a teenager I was acutely sensitive about it and wished that my body worked in the same way as other people's. Was I born in the wrong body? Were people with disabilities that affect them much more severely than mine born in the wrong bodies?

The whole narrative is a self-indulgent twisting of outdated Cartesian notions.

You lot are so ridiculous. There's a reason the papers have been scouring MN for these threads. To take the piss out of.

Oh no, I'd better not speak the truth, someone I don't even know might take the piss out of me!

This is Mumsnet. We're not that cowardly.

I have created another twitter account so that I can begin giving support on this matter.
I'm sick of it all.
It is anonymous simply because I would lose my job if I gave this support in public.
I can not believe the vile abuse she is receiving.

@LaStreng

You lot are so ridiculous. There's a reason the papers have been scouring MN for these threads. To take the piss out of.

Twemble twemble.

[quote amijustparanoidorjuststoned]@Alsohuman not at all. Biologically, some people are born in the wrong bodies and want the chance to live the lives they've always wanted to live.[/quote]
oh dear oh dear oh dear
wrong body??
are you fucking serious??

She clearly has her issues.

Her essay is quite explicitly clear that she knows the majority of trans people are no threat to anyone, that she fully supports people to live in whatever way is authentic to them and that she knows trans women are vulnerable and subject to sexual violence. She has a deeply empathetic passage about murder of trans women and how it horrifies her because of her own experiences. She mentions an older trans woman friend and in so doing uses female pronouns and states that she has never seen her as anything but a woman.

She is absolutely not trans phobic. She just doesn't want the safety of women and girls to be compromised by a system that has literally no process for screening out predatory men who pose as transwomen, which is easy to do when all you've got to do to be a woman is to say that you are one, and when biological sex is not recognised as real.

Oh, she also talks about the younger trans people she has met and whose writing she has read, and is full of praise for them. But she questions a system that could ruin their bodies and fertility when they are still too young to know for sure if they are trans. She asks whether the increase in numbers of girls wanting to transition is more about trying to escape the horribly misogynistic world we live in.

It's an intelligent, sensitive, reasoned, informed, moving and nuanced piece. Of course it is.

I know what my 92 year old grandma would say......

Isn't it great that we've got all these men standing on their platforms to tell women that they're wrong about female matters and that we need to be nicer to the poor men.....

#IStandWithJKR

Do posters who think JK is wrong think the death & rape threats & suck my dick comments are ok?

#IstandwithJKRowling!

I might have been born in the wrong body. The one I have hurts and keeps dropping things. The one I should have works properly. Maybe if I identified as fully able bodied I could magically stop popping the painkillers and sleep through the night.

She's 100% correct, but like most current affairs, multiple threads on the same subject quickly lead to people 'switching off'. That'a a MNHQ critiscism though, not of JKR.

My issue is that I feel trans rights are jeopardising women's rights.
Women have always had to fight to be equal and for their rights. But now, men who have decided they identify as women are fighting for their rights, which at the same time is demolishing rights of biological women.

There are many sex-specific health conditions. Until a trans woman (male to female) can get all of the stuff that could come with being female (pregnancy, pcos, cervical cancer, endometriosis) and so on - they are not female. Likewise for female to male. It is completely ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

@amijustparanoidorjuststoned

So what you're saying is that most of you are transphobic?

Not all vaginas belong to women, and not all women have vaginas.

Erm.. but they do...

I stand with her too.

Woman is not a costume.

[quote XDownwiththissortofthingX]@OP

Maybe Twitter has just finally had enough of transphobic bigots attempting to justify their transphobic hate by constructing a ridiculous conflation with women's rights?[/quote]
But it’s not transphobic, and it’s not hate.

Also ask, have you read JK’s piece, in full?

#istandwithjkrowling. I think it's interesting that on an anonymous site such as Mumsnet, the comments are overwhelming in favour of her nuanced, thoughtful statement. But over on Twitter, there are so many misogynist insults being thrown as around. It's so clear that people are scared to speak up.

I don't use twitter but I certainly agree with her as do most of half the population - women. However in general it tends not to do public figures much good to get into these political areas although we are lucky some are prepared to take a stand.

Her kind nuanced statements as said above are great. Most of us have sympathy with people who have gone down the route of a full legal UK sex change. However probably because a lot of them are mentally ill some trans people seem to take a very extreme stance which does not really do them much good. Mind you if I can self declare today as male and double my income that might be useful.... this self declaration lark (which is not English law) is ridiculous.

..or Scottish law I should add (JKR being in Scotland)....