#IStandWithJKRowling

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Appears not to be trending on Twitter, despite the huge number of tweets in response to J K Rowling's tweet.

AIBU to think that Twitter is a bunch of fiddling, dishonest cheats?

I stand with JKR. She didn't say anything offensive or transphobic. She just stated that sex exists and has an impact on your life.

I do not use twitter or Facebook (I try to avoid those cesspools of human interaction) so I didn't know how to express support for her. MN is as close as I get.

[quote amijustparanoidorjuststoned]@TheGreatWave EXACTLY. I was just giving one example.

So your daughter, who identifies as a male, may not ever have surgery.

So in her eyes, she is a man. But she/he has a vagina.

Obviously the correct pronouns would be "him/he" at this point, but I hope you all get the picture![/quote]
What makes her a man? Other than "feelings"?

The Women Against Hate FB page is being screamed at because she dared to agree with JK and would appreciate some support. Honestly, the toddler tantrums!!

Mind you if I can self declare today as male and double my income that might be useful

I pondered this, if I self ID as a man will I be entitled to a pay rise? Can I gain entry to a gentleman's club? If I go for a jog through the park late at night will I feel safer?

I completely agree with JK, and find it disgusting that the HP actors she made famous feel the need to have their say.

Unfortunately for JK though, she is now experiencing the kind of abuse from those who follow far left identity politics that she has previously encouraged. This is the problem with the current brand of extreme leftwing politics. Everyone is so eager to suppport the so say oppressed, yet sometimes the 'oppressed' interests conflicts with other 'oppressed' groups. In this case its women and feminism, a very worthy cause, conflicting with the trans community. What she actually said was really compassionate and sympathetic to the trans community, but took issue with some terms.

@maudspellbody

I have seen someone on twitter calling it all lies and dismissing it on the basis that she is reducing it all to toilets again - and by doing so insinuating that trans women are all secret abusers.

Now obviously, that is missing the mark by 1000 miles, but also... would I like to be alone in a confined space where I am vulnerable and doing something personal surrounded by this (rather small sample) lot of charmers?

No thanks.

That screenshot is disgusting. Do they think they are rallying anyone to their cause with language like that?

I'm sorry but if a transwoman is talking about sucking dicks, 'choking on my dick' etc it just shows to me personally how male minded they actually are.

#IStandwithJKR

As a teenager I would have said I was a boy. What I meant was I did not fit the stereo typical gender definition of girl. It took me a while to realise that this was everybody else problem, not mine. I don’t frankly understand why we have to identify as anything, why can’t we all just be. Safe spaces should be based on biology, however.

So fucking thankful I am not a teenager now, otherwise the outcome could have been very different.

I feel so badly for Eddie Redmayne and Daniel Radcliffe caught up in this. They must feel utterly broken about their tainted money. I hope they can get some relief by donating their entire fees and any ancillary money associated with the Harry Potter franchise to charity.

Sending thoughts and prayers, boys.

I think many women in particular do agree with her but most won’t speak out for fear of offending the ‘woke’ masses.

She's right. Can anyone find anything in that article that's wrong?

Lighttheflamethrower.

Exactly

I don't know if anyone on here has heard of Nanowrimo? It's a writing organisation/event with a following of at least 500k worldwide.

I unfollowed them on Twitter on Wednesday for their posts regarding JKR which were anti her and, I felt, dismissive even of her right onto have/express an opinion.

Last night I got round to removing myself from their FB groups, but first posted a message to explain why I would no longer be engaging (for me it's as much about the censorship as the subject matter itself).

A short while later a received a PM from a woman in Canada who had posted in the group in support of JKR.

When she responded to TRA answers to her post she received a barrage of abuse so deleted her post. An admin then called her out for being 'intolerant of freedom of speech' so she responded once again with her viewpoint.

Her comment was removed and she was subsequently banned from posting.

So basically this organisation is seeking to shut down any attempts to express an opinion that opposes pro-Trans rhetoric.

@MintyCedric I have unfollowed some organisations on fb because of this. They were good sources of info for me regarding my dd who is autistic, but calling JKR a terf, and removing ANY comment that agreed with her while other called her terf and worse, just did not sit with me.

One of them was an organisation against violence towards women, too! Yet they allowed it in their comments!

@Blackdoggotmytonguestill

I am really weirded out by the alleged women on this thread who are so smugly and instantly keen to disagree with a thoughtful and nuanced essay by a sexual abuse survivor, that lays out why traumatized women need single sex spaces. I’m a bit baffled. So keen to jump on here and display their abject hatred for female victims of male violence. We get it. You don’t give a fuck. It must be very odd to be so absolutely fucking oblivious. But thank you, for showing us who you are. So keen to spit on a woman at her most vulnerable. Slow hand clap.

I was going to bed, but had to take a minute to repost this quote as it needs a second (third, fourth, etc) read.

Thank you Blackdog, well said

and JK

If a small percentage of people are born in the wrong body....that must mean that 99% of baby girls have female gendered brains and 99% of baby boys have male gendered brains that match their biological sex. Is there a wealth of scientific research out there that has found it can differentiate sexed brains at birth?

I’m sure such research would help stop the accidental femicide of the millions of babies aborted or left to die after birth that actually ID as male.

Sex-selective abortions may have stopped the birth of 23 million girls, so if only 1% ID as male, that’s 230,000 transboys murdered by mistake.

Read more: www.newscientist.com/article/2199874-sex-selective-abortions-may-have-stopped-the-birth-of-23-million-girls/#ixzz6PDR3z13i

#waronwomen
#IStandWithJKR

#IStandWithJKRowling

And if you are reading this I thank you, on behalf of my 4 year old daughter too. I appreciate what you are doing for girls and women everywhere.

Did anyone see the Body Shop's repulse response time JK's essay? It was so goady and smug, just written to gain their five minutes of fame.

Tho I say the same for Radcliffe, Grint, Redmayne and Watson. All of them spewing the same 'woke' bullshit that throws the woman they made millions off under the bus. The worst part is their generic drivel proved they haven't read her essay or given a second thought to her trauma. Though I guess Rupert has to stay relevant somehow these days ....

The Body Shop has just committed commercial suicide. I hope that tweet was worth all the lost customers.

Mermaids, a charity that supports trans young people, wrote a measured and respectful response to JKR’s blog, and I think it is worth reading as a contribution to the debate.

mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/dear-jk-rowling/

Obviously no decent human being thinks the kind of abuse that JKR (and others, unfortunately including others on the opposite side) have been subjected to is acceptable. That is always to be condemned unreservedly.

@MoaningMinniee and @Maybe83 you can rest assured that no under 18, let alone any 4 year old (!) is subjected to life changing “sex change” surgery in the UK, or, as far as I am aware, anywhere in the world. That would indeed be child abuse - however, it simply does not happen. If you genuinely did not know this, then I hope you will be glad to hear it.

Sometimes, after extensive counselling, some preteens are given hormonal drugs to delay (not ultimately prevent) puberty. When they withdraw (or are withdrawn) from this therapy, they inevitably experience puberty, albeit delayed.

The reason they are given this hormone therapy is so that if they ultimately do decide to “transition” fully, they are able to feel much more comfortable, and be much more likely to be widely accepted in society, in their transition bodies. This therapy was not available to earlier generations and has undoubtedly meant much heartbreak. Many teens are not able to access this at all and must go through puberty and address (or not) their feelings once they are 18 or older.

It is likely - though admittedly not entirely certain - that such puberty delaying drugs do not ultimately have significant effect on fertility. (As I mentioned above puberty does result when the drugs are withdrawn).

Obviously the decision to give such powerful drugs it is a difficult one, and is jointly taken by children, parents, physicians and psychologists, over an extended period, and working together. Many parents and children have reported that the overwhelming relief brought about by allowing time for delay and reflection, is worth the potential (not currently confirmed) risk to fertility.

Those on all sides of this debate need to educate themselves beyond media headlines, and listen to children.

Mermaids has some VERY dubious policies/practices.

Julie - you may be unaware that Susie Green, CEO of Mermaids, took her child to Thailand for an orchiectomy on their 16th birthday.

As you say, this is quite rightly now illegal. But Mermaids are campaigning for the law to be changed and for surgery to be available to under 17s.

I have posted the direct, explicit response from Mermaids to JKR’s blog which I found reasoned, measured and empathic. Have you read it?

The personal decisions of individuals connected with this charity, even the CEO, are really not relevant in this context. Nor is a statement that they have “dubious policies/practices”.

I would recommend reading their response to JKR as that is what is relevant to this debate.

I got very bored halfway through that nonsense from mermaids.

The whole male/female brain thing was just another tool men could use to keep women in their place.

I would recommend reading their response to JKR as that is what is relevant to this debate.

Unfortunately all their assertions are untrue. See the thread on this. JKR's assertions are based on extensive research. Mermaid's are lies.

I agree it would be good to have a reasoned well thought out response to JKR, just for the balance. But this isn't it.